The Nine is fine meme thread, shall we dance?

I think this is just factually untrue. My understanding of Trump’s conversion is that it came after the election in 2016, during his presidency.

He is a professing Christian and we shouldn’t be questioning his profession of faith, imo. Question his policies, his commitment to conservative ideology, but not his profession of faith.

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You and I have, as far as I know, virtually no first hand interaction with Trump. We do not know what he is like or how he acts outside of his political speech.

I don’t know if an aggressive political stance against political opponents is the same as denying Christ by his conduct.

If you have a specific allegation of his conduct after his profession of faith, say….. after 2021, then I’d like to hear it.

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His “history” of bad behavior and speech is irrelevant today if he has accepted Christ as Savior.

Again, I do not have first hand knowledge of Trump’s behavior since his conversion. Do you? Please share. I have seen him make a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ and I consider him a brother in Christ ever since.

I don’t think I’ve heard the name “Jesus” from any other current politician, not even Pence. Additionally, I’ve heard stories from people that have been around him say he is kind and personable.

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I don’t recall saying he made a profession of faith in 2014. If I did, then I misspoke. I said his profession of faith came after the 2016 election. I think it was prior to 2020, maybe 2019.

What lie did he tell about Biden. Who did he slander after his profession of faith and how?

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I’ll add that the only “slander” I can think of over the last few years was him calling Pence a “coward” for accepting the 2020 electors. Even though it was political, it was outrageous and certainly slander.

However, when they discovered classified documents with Pence last year, Trump put out a statement saying, in effect, that Pence was one of the most decent and honest people he has ever known.

Does that suggest a humble and contrite heart consistent with a profession of faith?

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Thanks for all the info. I doubt I have time to address it all.

Trump was referring, I think, to Biden not having authority as a Senator or VP to declassify the documents found in his garage and other places.

Trump obviously exaggerated his accomplishments. However, Russia didn’t invade anyone while he was president. Russia made incursions Afghanistan (Carter), into Poland (under Bush?) took Crimea under Obama and now this invasion under Biden. He did exaggerate by saying no president ever, but of the current crop, not really.

Biden boasted of getting a prosecutor fired that was investigating corruption in the company in Ukraine that his son worked for (Barisma?) by threatening to withhold 1 billion in aid if they didn’t. You can find the boast online, he was quite proud of the quid pro quo.

Not sure what NATO spent on its headquarters. He said 3 billion, they say 1.3 billion. ??? If is a lot, either way.

Trump qualified his statement on job growth as occurring prior to COVID.

The New York Times did admit there was no collusion between Trump and Russia, way after the fact. They admitted they were wrong.

Trump said “tariffs”, you say “custom duty”. Not sure if there is a difference, but Trump clearly brought in a lot of money from the tariffs in China. He exaggerates his accomplishments like all politicians and New Yorkers (sorry salty)

I remember the validate in Iraq being dismantled very quickly once the forces were in place. They have apparently regrouped in Afghanistan.

I heard a report of $100 billion in equipment, weapons, ordinance left behind in Afghanistan. Link to the source of the 7.1 billion figure and I’ll look at it. I also remember hearing a report the Taliban was attempting to sell war planes, tanks and other equipment we left behind.

I’m sure he didn’t just grab a number out of thin air.

Apologies to wingman for hijacking his thread.

When they close this, how about “Ten is a Win!!” Meme thread?

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Well, your understanding of VP powers and mine are very different. My understanding is that only the POTUS has authority to declassify documents and specifically no one else.

I guess all politicians attempt to walk the line between truth and spin (except Harry Truman).

I guess the whole point of this discussion is challenging the meme that claimed Trump only became a born again Christian to get the evangelical vote.

I still maintain that is factually untrue. But thanks for an interesting conversation.

BTW, if you have a source that demonstrates the VP has declassification authority, please share it. Otherwise, I’ll have to accept that I’m right and you are wrong on this.

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