Is Alistair Begg Right?

[SavedByGrace]

Yes, Alistair Begg is right.

We need to start prioritizing connection with our friends, family, and our communities. If you're healthy enough to go and if you have the time and money to afford it, just go to the wedding and have a good time. Make some memories while you still have family on this earth to love.

How would you like it if you found out the reason why someone didn't go to your wedding was because you drink alcohol on occasion? Or because you smoke? Or because you voted for someone they didn't like? Or because you are a Christian? Or because you drive too fast? Or because you don't go to church often enough?

I agree with Alistair Begg. To not go for such a petty reason makes us look like judgemental, arrogant, self-righteous holier-than-thou hypocrites. Jesus built a bridge connecting God to man. The least we can do is treat our family like family.

so you think that it is Biblically right to "celebrate" SINFUL weddings?

The Bible is clear that homosexuals and trans are WRONG and SINFUL lifestyles, and marriage is between a biological man and woman. Period!

 

[Mikey]

I gotta believe that he is attempting to posture himself in solidarity with the gay community…. If that is so then it’s best for everyone that he walk away as he does nobody any good…. Not the gay community, not the relatives of these people, not the true church. Perhaps Begg needs to take a break from the church, study scripture more closely etc. Right now, he is a disaster.

this person has not commented here?

yes they have. see above their post.

 

[SavedByGrace]

yes they have. see above their post.

which #?

 

[Christina1]

so you think that it is Biblically right to "celebrate" SINFUL weddings?

The Bible is clear that homosexuals and trans are WRONG and SINFUL lifestyles, and marriage is between a biological man and woman. Period!

No. I'm not asking you to "celebrate sin" and neither is Begg. It's about building bridges. All I'm saying is spend some time with your family and friends while you still have them. Make some memories. Embrace the fact that you disagree with your family members on some things and let it go, and then have fun.

 

[SavedByGrace]

No. I'm not asking you to "celebrate sin" and neither is Begg. It's about building bridges. All I'm saying is spend some time with your family and friends while you still have them. Make some memories. Embrace the fact that you disagree with your family members on some things and let it go, and then have fun.

this is what Begg said

"I said, “Well then, okay. As long as he knows that, then I suggest that you do go to the ceremony. And I suggest that you buy them a gift.”

BUY THEM A GIFT, is to CELEBRATE!

Then they will be have the "toast" and some "wedding" cake and food and drinks! do you not think that this is all CELEBRATION?

 

[Christina1]

this is what Begg said

"I said, “Well then, okay. As long as he knows that, then I suggest that you do go to the ceremony. And I suggest that you buy them a gift.”

BUY THEM A GIFT, is to CELEBRATE!

Then they will be have the "toast" and some "wedding" cake and food and drinks! do you not think that this is all CELEBRATION?

Okay. Pretend I'm your sister. Let's also pretend that I know of a sin of yours that you struggle with. And you invite me to your wedding.

How would you feel if I said, "Nope. I'm not going because I don't want to celebrate sin."

 

[Mikey]

which #?

Post 12.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Okay. Pretend I'm your sister. Let's also pretend that I know of a sin of yours that you struggle with. And you invite me to your wedding.

How would you feel if I said, "Nope. I'm not going because I don't want to celebrate sin."

You can be 100% sure that I would not be marrying a person of the same sex as me!

Either you are trying to make excuses or don't understand the gravity of what Begg said?

 

[Christina1]

You can be 100% sure that I would not be marrying a person of the same sex as me!

Either you are trying to make excuses or don't understand the gravity of what Begg said?

Rhetorical Questions (I'm not asking you to answer these):
Have you ever looked at porn?
Well, guess what? You have not been faithful to your wife then. I'm not going to your wedding now because I don't want to "celebrate sin".

Do you drive too fast sometimes?
Welp. You're a dangerous driver and you might not even make it to your wedding anyway. Not going.

Is there alcohol at this wedding?
Maybe my interpretation of the Bible is that alcohol is a sin. Not going.

Are there smokers at your wedding?
Not going.

How does it make you feel that I nit pick your sins to the point where I refuse to go to your wedding?

Does it hurt you that I'm not there for such a petty reason? Did you really want me to be there? Were you looking forward to seeing your sister there?

This issue is about connection for me.

 

[Silverhair]

Yes, Alistair Begg is right.

We need to start prioritizing connection with our friends, family, and our communities. If you're healthy enough to go and if you have the time and money to afford it, just go to the wedding and have a good time. Make some memories while you still have family on this earth to love.

How would you like it if you found out the reason why someone didn't go to your wedding was because you drink alcohol on occasion? Or because you smoke? Or because you voted for someone they didn't like? Or because you are a Christian? Or because you drive too fast? Or because you don't go to church often enough?

I agree with Alistair Begg. To not go for such a petty reason makes us look like judgemental, arrogant, self-righteous holier-than-thou hypocrites. Jesus built a bridge connecting God to man. The least we can do is treat our family like family.

So what else are you willing to allow in the church since you see no problem with throwing out morals.

And before you get on your high horse, no I am not perfect but that does not mean that I should support the continuing sin of others. As a disciple of Christ we are to grow in Christ likeness and Christ condemned sin He did not support it.

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Rom 1:27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

Rom 1:32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, ... but also approve of those who practice them.

By attending a same s;x wedding you are giving approval of such.

 

[Mikey]

I cannot envision a situation in which I would ever be invited to a same-sex marriage.

Would the example of Jesus in Matthew 9 be instructive on this subject?

Matthew 9:10-13 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I have no problem with this. We eat, play, hang out, work with people living in unrepentant sin all the time. So going to a BBQ with people who are in a sexual relationship outside of marriage, is good. Going to a birthday party for a friend who does drugs, and get regularly drunk, is good. We come and help repair or paint a persons home of someone who worships false gods, this is good.

That's what i see what Matthew 9:10-13 is more refering to. (And the obvious Christological meaning, coming to save sinners) We should also be talk about our faith and share with them the gospel, and live in accordance with it. Where we are to be in the world, but not part of the world.

There is a difference between the examples i mentioned and coming to an event which itself is sinful or celebrating sinfulness.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why must you believe that? I think thats a bit far. He gave bad advice and thats not good. No where does he support what you're saying.

Because I don’t trust him. He either has lost his mind or he is an agent for he devil. I will no longer have anything to do with him. His church should be taking a hard look at his thinking process, and not tolerate such bad advice.

 

[Christina1]

So what else are you willing to allow in the church since you see no problem with throwing out morals.

And before you get on your high horse, no I am not perfect but that does not mean that I should support the continuing sin of others. As a disciple of Christ we are to grow in Christ likeness and Christ condemned sin He did not support it.

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Rom 1:27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

Rom 1:32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, ... but also approve of those who practice them.

By attending a same s;x wedding you are giving approval of such.

I'm not concerned about sin. And I'm not concerned about my perceived approval or disapproval of sin. It's my position that connection is the most important thing in this world, especially at this particular time period. The gravity of the situation is this:
If we don't start building bridges with each other at least at the family unit level, then this world will destroy itself in a third world war.
Go to the wedding. Be with your family. Make some memories. Value the people who God has placed in your life.

 

[Van]

Alistair Begg is a pretty good preacher. He is carried on a radio station to which I listen, and have enjoyed many of his insights. But, like the rest of us, he is not inspired, and sometimes misses the mark. Yes we are to sustain fellowship with our loved ones, but not reinforce errant behavior. Wedding attendance is not an all or nothing opportunity. Consistent expressions of love over time without compromising God's standards for asserting truth is the only path forward. It sometimes takes a year or two, sometimes a decade or more, and sometimes never for the loved one to "come to their senses."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Okay. Pretend I'm your sister. Let's also pretend that I know of a sin of yours that you struggle with. And you invite me to your wedding.

How would you feel if I said, "Nope. I'm not going because I don't want to celebrate sin."

Ahhh, now we are bringing feelings into it. Actually that answer might just be forceful enough to jar them to take the subject seriously. The easy answer is to concede to the wishes of the sinner rather than be straightforward enough to tell the offending person the truth. Then what value are you to them. You are just being weak.

 

[Christina1]

Ahhh, now we are bringing feelings into it. Actually that answer might just be forceful enough to jar them to take the subject seriously. The easy answer is to concede to the wishes of the sinner rather than be straightforward enough to tell the offending person the truth. Then what value are you to them. You are just being weak.

Yes, I am bringing feelings into it. They matter. And it matters how you treat people. This is right out of the Bible. It's the Golden Rule. Treat others how you want to be treated.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'm not concerned about sin. And I'm not concerned about my perceived approval or disapproval of sin. It's my position that connection is the most important thing in this world, especially at this particular time period. The gravity of the situation is this:
If we don't start building bridges with each other at least at the family unit level, then this world will destroy itself in a third world war.
Go to the wedding. Be with your family. Make some memories. Value the people who God has placed in your life.

And so you think that a family dynamics posture of smoothing over tragic life mistakes is more important than leveling with someone that they are making a tragic life mistake? Nobody is ostracizing the person, however you are not providing proper counseling either. And you really would not be doing any favors to that relative by sanctioning bad behavior… I’d go so far as to say you are not displaying love to them. It’s a hard road but being honest and truthful will resolve problems down line.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I'm not concerned about sin. And I'm not concerned about my perceived approval or disapproval of sin. It's my position that connection is the most important thing in this world, especially at this particular time period. The gravity of the situation is this:
If we don't start building bridges with each other at least at the family unit level, then this world will destroy itself in a third world war.
Go to the wedding. Be with your family. Make some memories. Value the people who God has placed in your life.

So you don't care about sin?

Then what is the purpose?

 

[Silverhair]

I'm not concerned about sin. And I'm not concerned about my perceived approval or disapproval of sin. It's my position that connection is the most important thing in this world, especially at this particular time period. The gravity of the situation is this:
If we don't start building bridges with each other at least at the family unit level, then this world will destroy itself in a third world war.
Go to the wedding. Be with your family. Make some memories. Value the people who God has placed in your life.

You go and support open sin and slap God in the face and see what His response is to you. By your open approval of sin you condemn yourself.

Have you no fear of God?

 

[Christina1]

And so you think that a family dynamics posture of smoothing over tragic life mistakes is more important than leveling with someone that they are making a tragic life mistake? Nobody is ostracizing the person, however you are not providing proper counseling either. And you really would not be doing any favors to that relative by sanctioning bad behavior… I’d go so far as to say you are not displaying love to them. It’s a hard road but being honest and truthful will resolve problems down line.

I think it's wise to not impose your belief that homosexuality is a sin on others. But, if this family member would ask you for your advice or for your opinion, then be honest about how you see it and how you feel about the situation.

Actually, by not going you are ostracizing them. It's a form of shunning.