God's knowledge debate

I know this was not to me but I would like to respond. A little difficult for me to follow all that, but I do believe that God does not live outside of time. I believe time is a product of the existence of God. Not the ticking of the clock as we determine time, but any period which something or someone is and God has always been so time has always been.

 

That maybe an even better way to put it. :thumbs:

It is the same answer as the statement above. "Jesus limited his action (to know all) while remaining unlimited in ability." Jesus could have called angles to tend to him but didn't in the same way he could have known every detail but didn't. I don't think we disagree on this point, do you?

 

...while it is called, Today...Heb. 3:13.

 

Come on, that has nothing to do with time. It is saying don't wait another minute or day.

 

Poole says it well:

What Isaiah says (Isa_40:26) with the words, “because of the greatness of might, and as being strong in power,” and (Isa_40:28) “His understanding is unsearchable,” is here asserted in Psa_147:5 (cf. Psa_145:3): great is our Lord, and capable of much (as in Job_37:23, שַׂגִּיא כֹּחַ), and to His understanding there is no number, i.e., in its depth and fulness it cannot be defined by any number. What a comfort for the church as it traverses its ways, that are often so labyrinthine and entangled! Its Lord is the Omniscient as well as the Almighty One. Its history, like the universe, is a work of God's infinitely profound and rich understanding. It is a mirror of gracious love and righteous anger. The patient sufferers (עֲנָוִים) He strengthens (מְעֹודֵד as in Psa_146:9); malevolent sinners (רְשָׁעִים), on the other hand, He casts down to the earth (עֲדֵי־אָרֶץ, cf. Isa_26:5), casting deep down to the ground those who exalt themselves to the skies.

 

I think it important to remember that Jesus performed no supernatural acts until after the Holy Spirit came upon him. All supernatural acts he performed were through the Spirit.

Lk 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Lk 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Lk 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Lk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Everything Jesus did, whether preaching, healing the sick, or performing miracles was done in the power of the Spirit. Before the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus after he was baptized, he did none of these things.

 

It has everything to do with time. We live in the present. Now. Today. In eternity there is no "today." There will be nothing that we can call "today," as we know it.

When the trumpet of the Lord shall sound, and time shall be no more ... there will be no more yesterday, today or tomorrow. In other words, no moment by moment existence. It will be an eternal existence with no beginning and no end.

Stop trying to think of God as if He were a man.

 

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

Not even close. Stop trying to think of man in science fiction terms. We will never cease to be human, and humans were designed WITH time to live in a real physical world.

 

How do you know? have you ever lived in eternity past?

 

What does the word, "eternal" mean?

 

Without ending. I have eternal life. Did I always exist?

 

It also means without beginning.

 

It can keep you up nights thinking about this stuff. For instance, I have often wondered if God has existed for trillions of years (actually forever), then why did he wait until just 6000 years ago (I am a young earther) to create man? Shouldn't all of this happened ages ago?

Back to the OP, but I am sure some have had these kinds of thoughts.

 

So you have always existed?

 

I know what the word eternal means, and I know that I've been given eternal life.

And here is where the Noncalvinist with his limited view [edit] argue with what is plainly revealed, and the Calvinist in faith accepts it.

 

So instead of the typical vitriol why not just answer the question?

Clearly you have no clue what eternal means (to go along with anthropology and time) as you have been backed into a corner you created with no escape.

 

That's not true.

I'm begotten of God, and I'm told that that which is begotten of God cannot sin, yet in this temporal existence, I sin a thousand times a day.

I'm told that Christ has raise me to sit with Him in heavenly places, yet in this temporal world, I have yet to be thus glorified.

I'm told I have been given eternal life, yet in this temporal world I have a beginning, and will have an end.

You're asking me to reconcile these things with your carnal mind, and they cannot be. I can tell you what we're told, and you cannot argue with that. Not intelligently. But I cannot make you believe what we're told.

 

And that's not vitriol, that's just the facts. You'll argue with God, and I will take Him at His word.