AIDS and Romans 1:24-32

I agree. But since I have no idea what God's plans are for any individual person, I will be obedient to Christ's words regarding ministering to all people with the hope that I can be a part of God's sovereign work in that person if that is His sovereign will.

 

I agree. But since I have no idea what God's plans are for any individual person, I will be obedient to Christ's words regarding ministering to all people with the hope that I can be a part of God's sovereign work in that person if that is His sovereign will. </font>[/QUOTE]Exactly!

Joseph Botwinick

 

Thanks AVL1984. I didn't see it since there's alot to try to sort out, on and off topic. </font>[/QUOTE]No problem. I truly wish it would get back on topic, but, you know some people...LOL

 

Shalom Joseph.

When we use words that others will understand so that you don't appear to conflict when in actuality you agree we will go along ways towards Shalom.

 

God's will is for us to share the gospel with a lost and dying world. God's will for us is to mirror the love of Christ in lives. God will is for us to judge not. God's will is for us to go and love the unloveable!!!!!!!!

 

Amen to everything you just said with this caveat:

God's will is for us not to judge hypocritically, or in ignorance. He does, however exhort us to test the fruit of the spirit and to have discernment:

1 John 4:1-6

Joseph Botwinick

 

Lost people have no fruits of the spirit. So, then how do we? WE love unconditionaly and share with them the hope that is within us.

 

We are not to judge that is reserved by God , Himself. Jesus went out of his way to love the unloveable. We just keep sharing and plant the seed.

Joe, it seems you have a hard time understanding that our job here on earth is simple. To glorify God and to show the world a glimpse of Christ in our lives. Our job is not to judge oneanother. Ii is to love. God does love the ones we as a church bash. "For God so loved".

 

You are correct that they have no fruit of the spirit. That is why we mist discern those whom we listen to so that we are not decieved by false teachings. We must test the fruits. Of course we preach the Word and show the love of God to them. At the same time, we must also be careful not to be influenced by the wisdom of the world which appeals to the carnal, sinful nature, and is full of the spirit of Anti-Christ.

Joseph Botwinick

 

The Bible tells us we are to test the fruits of the spirits and determine which are from God, and which are not. This requires discernment, and yes, even some judgment.

Jesus went out of his way to love the unloveable. We just keep sharing and plant the seed.[/QUOTE]

I agree. He did not, however, allow himself to be influenced or changed by the world. This is because he had discernment, which is what he calls us to have as well.

Joe, it seems you have a hard time understanding that our job here on earth is simple. To glorify God and to show the world a glimpse of Christ in our lives. Our job is not to judge oneanother. Ii is to love. God does love the ones we as a church bash. "For God so loved". [/QUOTE]

1. Our job is very simple: Preach the Word and show the love of God to the lost. I get that. Please quote me where I said otherwise.

2. We are told by the Bible to use discernment, and yes, even judge the fruits of the Spirit so that we are not decieved by false teachings and are not influenced by the wisdom of this world which appeals to the carnal nature and is full of the spirit of Anti-Christ.

3. Please quote me where I have bashed anyone. Or, stop judging me and making unfounded accusations.

Joseph Botwinick

 

If you folllow Christ that won't happen. Joe you need to look close at the life of Christ. His actions are the ones I want mirror. He was forgiving and merciful.

Yes, lost people have a sinful nature. That is why we are called into the world and not to be of the world.

I have to know is long hair on a man a sin???

 

I guess I can't relate to your story since I don't hate or teach hate.

Joseph Botwinick

 

TexasSky...can you show me where anyone has shown or taught hatred in this thread? I must have missed it. Also, what about ridicule? Please, pray tell, show us. As Dr. Bob has pointed out in several other threads, I do believe you're twisting things again and making unfounded accusations.

Thanks in advance...

 

And yet, the Bible teaches us to test the Spirits. I will follow what the Bible says to do.

Joe you need to look close at the life of Christ. His actions are the ones I want mirror. He was forgiving and merciful.[/QUOTE]

Me too. I wonder why you would imply otherwise about me. If you have evidence that I am unforgiving or without mercy, then please present it.

Yes, lost people have a sinful nature. That is why we are called into the world and not to be of the world.

I have to know is long hair on a man a sin??? [/QUOTE]

I don't know. What does the Bible say about it? What do you think? Why would you ask me such a silly question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic? Are you trying to paint me in a negative light using some sort of stereotypical view of a legalist? Around here, we call that defamation, and it isn't very Godly.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joe are you the whole church. We do,and you know it. You realyy love to sit in that judgement seat. I am not saying let the world influence us. I am saying not to act like jerks to the lost. Yes, without Christ they are going to hell, but we are called to seek and share with the lost.

 

Patrick...if you really want to know if long hair on a man is sin (which is off this topic...as this whole thread has done) then why don't you start a new thread and quit hijacking this one. This is a request....Thanks.

You want to mirror Christs actions, Patrick? Well, you're only showing one side...Jesus had righteous indignation. He showed love, but he wasn't afraid to show his displeasure in a Godly way. The serant is no better than his master. God does indeed tell us to try the spirits to see if they are of God. He also tells us to show discernment and mark people who cause divisions. He also tells us to avoid foolish and unlearned questions. Should I continue?

 

Can you show an instance where Joseph has acted like "jerks to the lost"? Or is this another one of your misinterpretations of what he's said? I haven't personally seen where he's acting like a jerk.

 

A question is defamation. Come on joe, isn't that being a little childish. Your words paint who you are Joe. Asking a simple question is UnGodly? Show me that in the Bible.


I really, wanted to know your mindset. That is a question that if you would not have dodged might have cleared it up. I think God looks at the heart and not the outward appearence of man. I can back that up.

Joe do think I am a liberal? Well, I am not. I just love Jesus and want to copy everthing he did. I want to love others the way he loved. I want to forgive as He forgave. I want to reach out the way He reached out. I want others to know the One who gave his life on a cross so they may have eternal life with Him.

 

Patrick,

You really are being very judgemental and unChristlike right now.

1. I am not the whole church. I am merely a part of the Church. I do believe that you are, however, addressing your comments towards me since it is you and I who are conversing.

2. "We do,and you know it". I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to communicate here. Would you please clarify?

3. I love following the Word of God. If that means that I must use discernment, then yes, I love showing discernment. That means that I must even judge every now and then.

4. I don't guess I can relate to your message of not acting like a "jerk" to the lost, since I don't do that.

5. Correct. We are called to preach the Word and show the love of God to the lost. If you have evidence otherwise, why don't you share it with us, or stop trying to defame me. It is not a very Godly thing to do.

Joseph Botwinick