A form of national blackmail...Lose an election, the left riots.

Wouldn't it have been great if the Germans had this view in the 1930's and held huge protests against Hitler?

 

So you are comparing what is going on in our country today with Hitler and his policies? Wow!

 

You need to read before you post. France, RevMitchell, France...

 

Actually, no. He is wishing there were a retroactive comparison between present day France's voter reaction to a populist candidate with fascist tendencies and 1933 German voter reactions to a populist fascist candidate.

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Why is everything about Hitler? The NAZIs were defeated in 1945. They do not rule anywhere.

 

A form of national blackmail...Lose an election, the left riots.

Same ole' same ole.... sickening!

 

A Form of National blackmail.

A Democrat wins the Presidency twice. The ONLY thing the Republicans try to do in those 8 years is try to block everything he does. These were difficult times. GW Bush left office with a pending DEPRESSION and the world in turmoil because of his two unjustified attacks and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. These were the two longest wars in U.S. history and killed hundreds of thousands of people. What exactly did we gain from these atrocities? NOTHING actually worse than nothing. They left the world a more dangerous place.

 

Deflecting from Dems rioting when they don't get their way; to Republicans making a legal vote; is laughable.

Were?

GW signed and ordered, that which Democrats and Republicans in Congress voted for.

Were? Are you unaware Soldiers are still engaged?

Hundreds of thousands?

Do you just pick numbers out of the air?

Under Bush ~ a retaliation
Under Barry ~ an enormous debt

This began AFTER 9-11 attacks ON US SOIL.
And what would have been your response?

 

The public record of violent deaths following the 2003 invasion of Iraq

Documented civilian deaths from violence
174,052 – 194,419

Total violent deaths including combatants
268,000
Iraq Body Count

 

First of all, after 9/11 bib Laden was declared to be the perpetrator on the night of 9/11 after the White House has declared we had no warning and no idea that terrorists would fly planes into buildings. It's documented that we were warned both by American intelligence and by foreign intelligence agencies. For whatever reason the Bush administration ignored the warnings but then immediately declared who was responsible. My response would have been to do exactly what President Obama did. Send in Navy Seals and CIA operatives and take out bin Laden NOT to march a quarter of a million troops into Afghanistan like Bush did. Didn't we learn anything about the uselessness of doing that by the Afghan defeat of Russia in which we supported bin Laden to fight AGAINST Russia and FOR the U.S.? Then we pulled troops out of Afghanistan to attack Iraq. This had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11 but was a desired objective of the Republican Neo-Con war mongers. This objective was stated in a document written in Sept. 2000 called
REBUILDING AMERICA DEFENSES
written by The Project for the New American Century, a Republican think tank. https://web.archive.org/web/2013050...cancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

This document states that support for the objective of invading and occupying Iraq would be difficult:

Further, the process of transformation,even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.

 

Civilian deaths from violence - Uh, violence leading to death was occurring in Iraq BEFORE American troops entered Iraq.

Combatants deaths (Iraq body count) - excluding civilians - 73,581, which is not hundreds of thousands.

And so, what is your point? The American troops are fighting civilians and / or combatants?

 

Can you reveal what the WARNING you speak of actually SAID, that you claim Bush ignored?

Warning the US will be attacked? When, How, BY Whom?

First of all, you have not YET disclosed the WARNING given to Bush.
When, How, BY Whom.

Can you do that now?

Did you learn What the WARNING was given to Bush?

Since you are so informed, how about you tell me what the WARNING was given to Bush?

 

The Deafness before the Storm

IT was perhaps the most famous presidential briefing in history.

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified that daily brief — and only that daily brief — in response to pressure from the 9/11 Commission, which was investigating the events leading to the attack. Administration officials dismissed the document’s significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some validity.

Opinion | The Bush White House Was Deaf to 9/11 Warnings

‘The Attacks Will Be Spectacular’
An exclusive look at how the Bush administration ignored this warning from the CIA months before 9/11, along with others that were far more detailed than previously revealed.

By Chris Whipple
November 12, 2015

“Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming.

By May of 2001, says Cofer Black, then chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, “it was very evident that we were going to be struck, we were gonna be struck hard and lots of Americans were going to die.” “There were real plots being manifested,” Cofer’s former boss, George Tenet, told me in his first interview in eight years. “The world felt like it was on the edge of eruption. In this time period of June and July, the threat continues to rise. Terrorists were disappearing [as if in hiding, in preparation for an attack]. Camps were closing. Threat reportings on the rise.” The crisis came to a head on July 10. The critical meeting that took place that day was first reported by Bob Woodward in 2006. Tenet also wrote about it in general terms in his 2007 memoir At the Center of the Storm.

How the Bush administration ignored a significant warning from the CIA months before 9/11

 

Warnings about 9/11 -- who, what, where, when -- were sent to the Bush / Cheney administration from
Afghanistan (under the Taliban)
Argentina
Britain
Cayman Islands
Egypt
France
Germany
India
Israel
Italy
Jordan
Morocco
Saudi Arabia?
Russia
USA (FBI investigations of the flight schools)

 

My point is the war resulted in a large number of civilian as well as combatant deaths. is that so hard to understand?

 

You still don't get it.

Threatening is what cowards, thugs, bully's, terrorists do.
They Threaten, WARN by Threatening, and one is left, WONDERING, when and how.

A man of HONOR, will DECLARE BEFOREHAND, who, what, when, why and where. NO WONDERING, even playing ground!

So, still you have not answered the question ~
Being Threatened, Being Warned because the THREAT was given.....DOES NOT TELL "when or how".

So WHEN was Bush "WARNED" "when and how and by whom" the Threat was going to be carried out... ?

 

Uh, "WAR" results in deaths. Targets and unintended Collateral. Is that so hard for you to understand?

What is "your" solution when "you" or "your country" is "attacked"?

 

Odd. The US being "threatened" is not a new phenomenon.

Threats to do what exactly? Attack the US? How, When?

And? So, threats of a strike was made. Bin Laden was suspect to be the one who orchestrated the plan.

And? When and How was this THREAT to be carried out?

Where is THAT nifty piece of information in this "so called" "most famous presidential briefing in history " ?

Oh a few weeks later....Al Qaeda accomplished their THREAT.

Well, WHY didn't GW stop them?

Oh ya, that's right, that "most famous presidential briefing in history", had NO INFORMATION on HOW or WHEN!

What do you mean...."only the daily brief was released" ? What other briefing was there?

And? So AFTER the FACT ~ the investigative Commission wanted to know what INTEL Bush was given.
And? They were given the information, Al Qaeda's history of threatening attacks....NOT that Al Qaeda had ANNOUNCED "when or how", WHICH IS a warning of an IMPENDING attack.

Al Qaeda's history is to THREATEN, "without the one being threatened being given the information of HOW or WHEN! Hello, that is WHY they ARE called TERRORISTS. They ATTACK without DECLARATION of WHEN!

And? Again, what is your solution when you are THREATENED by a faceless group and you do not KNOW how or when?

Anyone can threaten another, so what?

Opinion of who? Did you want an announcement that America was going to be attacked "at some unknown time" ?
And what would you do about it? Stay home from work? Not go to the grocery store? Stay locked up in your home? And WAIT until THUGS decide to attack you?

Ignored? What does not mean? You really think the WH simply said pfftt.... and was not ordering the CIA to gather information? Are you insane? How do you think the CIA had ANY intel to begin with?
They were already actively trying to gather intel. And precisely HOW, they KNEW of the THREATS!

Again, How do you STOP a threat from being carried out, WHEN you know not How or When it will happen?

Seriously, Bush thought it no big deal? Did Bush direct the CIA to STOP gathering information on Bin Laden? On Al Qaeda? Do tell exactly HOW Bush "shrugged off warnings".

And? Why were there no MIND-READERS in the CIA to tell Bush of, WHEN, HOW and WHO would carry out such attacks?

And? When did Bush EVER announce he was a MIND-READER, and KNEW When, How and Who would carry out ANY attacks, and further, having such information, IGNORED IT?

Fascinating ~ LOL ~ Why don't YOU get to the SOLUTION and tell us ALL, what YOU think a President should do WHEN the country has been THREATENED to be ATTACK, and YOU do not KNOW "when or how"....!!

Because the "after the fact IS".... the US was ATTACKED by ISLAMIST'S, from countries whose National Statehood HAS ISLAM as "their" NATIONAL religion.

The "fact is" the ISLAMIC religion teaches, if one is NOT an adherent to the ISLAMIC religion, they ARE an "enemy".

The "fact is" the TRUMP administration suggested to implement, DEPORTING foreigners WHO are not legally authorized to be in the US, by illegal entry or over-staying their visas, and the left, poo poo that idea.

The "fact is" the TRUMP administration suggested to implement, a temporary halt on immigration from....
Islamic Countries THAT HAVE SUPPORTED threats AGAINST the US and Harbored those who have THREATENED the US (until a BETTER background system could be implemented to KNOW the intents of those entering the US, and a BETTER system to KEEP an eye on them WHILE they ARE in the US-, and the left, poo poo that idea.

So the ONLY FACTS left to reveal, is the Left's SOLUTION, which is so far, CRITICISM, of the RIGHT not being a MIND-READER to PREVENT attacks, when they know not WHEN or HOW the TERRORIST WILL carry out "THEIR THREAT".

So now is your opportunity to provide the magic answer.

How do you prevent a THREAT from being carried out, when you DO NOT KNOW, "how or when" it will occur?

I'll wait.

What is the EVIDENCE, that the Bush Administration "IGNORED" "a significant warning" ?

And WHY is a "WARNING" without FACTS, of when and how "significant" ?

 

What did Bush do to raise our general level of preparedness after the August 2001 warning?

Here are some statements by Condoleezza Rice, Bush's

* RICE CLAIM: "The fact of the matter is [that] the administration focused on this before 9/11." National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04 * FACT: President Bush and Vice President Cheney's counterterrorism task force, which was created in May, never convened one single meeting. The President himself admitted that "I didn't feel the sense of urgency" about terrorism before 9/11. [Source: Washington Post, 1/20/02; Bob Woodward's "Bush at War"]

In addition:

* RICE CLAIM: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 5/16/02

* FACT: On August 6, 2001, the President personally "received a one-and-a-half page briefing advising him that Osama bin Laden was capable of a major strike against the US, and that the plot could include the hijacking of an American airplane." In July 2001, the Administration was also told that terrorists had explored using airplanes as missiles. [Source: NBC, 9/10/02; LA Times, 9/27/01]

I still can't believe that the strongest military on earth couldn't scramble fighters to intercept those plane after they went off their per-arranged flight path and turned back to the east. We couldn't protect our two most significant cities against these novice pilots? This is especially true for Washington D.C. after the first plane hit the WTC in NYC. Existing military procedures require that when an aircraft goes off their intended flight path and turns off their transponder as the 9/11 flights did, fighter jets are scrambled to intercept the aircraft and fly along side them. This didn't happen. Why?

There is a lot more information on this topic which I can share.