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John 3:16

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by agedman, Nov 19, 2017.

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    Christ died for the ungodly, for the well have no need for a physician
     
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    Absolutely true.
     
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    Is there any part in all of chapter 3 that would modify in any manner either the love or the gift by God for all creation (all under God’s control), as stated in John 3:16?
     
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    That has nothing to do with the issue.....the first adam if he was saved, was saved as part of the seed of Abraham;
    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
     
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    It's easy. If Christ came to redeem angels, He would have taken on the nature of angels. If He came to redeem dogs, He would have taken on the nature of dogs.

    When He came, He took on Him the seed of Abraham, and that is whom He has redeemed. As Abraham is the father of the faithful, the faithful are his seed, the elect of every nation.


    It means He is God from God, as men are from men. It has to do with His divinity, not His humanity.

    Anticipating your objections: No, it doesn't mean He has a beginning. It means that the Son's existence issues from the Father, not the Father's from the Son.

    Neither does it mean that the Son is weaker than the Father. In nature and in glory and in power, He is His Father's equal in every way. In rank, though, He is second to the Father. Saying anymore than that is tantamount to explaining the Trinity.

    It has nothing to do with the virgin birth.
     
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    All came from the first Adam, Abraham did not beget Adam, but was from the seed of Adam through Noah.

    Christ as the second Adam, was from the seed of the first Adam.
     
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    You are stating that which is basically a twentieth century teaching and not that taught by the framers of the Nicene Creed.

    God gave His unique son

    How was He uniqu?

    What prophecy pertains specifically to the uniqueness of God’s Son?

    The birth.

    That is until the twentieth century.
     
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    All die in Adam...all natural men are seed of adam

    All live in Christ, the last Adam, all born from above seed of Abraham

    Christ was not from adam....or he would have had sin....That was why the incarnation was supernatural
     
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    Was Christ from Abraham?

    Was Abraham from Adam?

    For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
    For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
     
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    And such were some of you:

    After all, why did he give his only begotten?
     
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    When I am doing door-to-door calling on behalf of my church, I regularly encounter people who say, "If there's a God of love, why are there all the natural disasters, wars, death etc. in the world?"
    There are several ways of answering this, but one is to point to John 3:16 and say, "This is how God has loved the world, and if you want to be eternally safe from all the disasters of the world, trust on Christ."
     
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    Ok, so God created Abraham as a likeness of the first Adam?

    Or, was Abraham selected from among all the first Adam heritage through Noah, just as all believers are also selected by God but find their first estate as that of the first Adam through Noah?

    Christ did not come in the "likeness of" Abraham, but in the likeness of Adam.

    Election preceded Abraham, it actually preceded Adam.

    Being "the seed of Abraham" is not something that is not also a part of the seed of Adam.

    Being a "new creature" disposes of all earthly seed, and presents us as "like Him."
     
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    Perhaps, you desire Christ to not have been born of the flesh?

    Or, do you have the thinking that the Christ was not born, but given the endowment at some point following the birth such as; in the temple as a baby, or at the baptism?

    Do you have the view that the Christ took on only the shape, but was not actually flesh and blood, that same flesh and blood that is found in every humankind as a result of Adam "knowing" Eve?
     
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    Seed of Adam....sperma

    Seed of Abraham.....teknon
     
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    Jesus was full and real human, but did NOT have the sin nature, but a sinless one, as Adam originally was created with!
     
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    Jesus did not have sinful flesh.He had a body of flesh and blood that was without sin.
     
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    34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

    35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
     
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    "BEFORE Abraham was, I am."

    Perhaps you have it reversed?

    Abraham was the start of all the select group of believers, a select group born by the Spirit. A group in which Christ is the "first fruits" even before Abraham.
     
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    Not at all....
    No...
    In the Covenant of Redemption Jesus is the Elect Servant of the Lord.All the promises of the "seed" who was to come are fulfilled In Him.
    As the covenant of grace is progressively revealedGen3:15, Gen 12,
    the promise is passed on to Abraham. All of the seed was sure before the world was, but it is fully revealed in time.
    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
     
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    Which does not make the “one and only unique naturally born son of God” any less valid.

    Just as the Nicene Creed states:

    And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    begotten from the Father before all ages,
    God from God,
    Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made;
    of the same essence as the Father.
    Through him all things were made.​
     
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