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Is Fascism Right Or Left?

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  1. Matt Black

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    Only ones they've built up themselves eg the Chinese PLA. The officer class in Germany were different: they in many respects chose Hitler and he allowed them largely to keep their positions
     
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    Seriously? One of the hallmarks of leftism is to spend money on social programs and deny the military money.

    If you are saying communism is leftist then you must agree that Nazism was far right fascism, simply by the fact that Hitler outlawed communism!

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    Hitler outlawed Communism because he was Nazi. Not really all that different in ideology. Both were struggling for power.

    Is communism far left or far right? Its left of socialism. Do Communist countries believe in huge military spending? They most definitely do.
     
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    Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History


    ......In Argentina, everyone acknowledges that fascism, state capitalism, corporatism – whatever – reflects very leftwing ideology. Eva Peron remains a liberal icon. President Obama’s Fabian policies (Keynesian economics) promise similar ends. His proposed infrastructure bank is just the latest gyration of corporatism. Why then are fascists consistently portrayed as conservatives?

    In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

    Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the "F" scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label "fascist" has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.



    Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.

    While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. Nazis despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and Nazis found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

    The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another "comrade" while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red Nazi flag symbolized socialism in a "classless, casteless" Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.

    Where communists generally focused on class, Nazis fixated on race. Communists view life through the prism of a perpetual workers’ revolution. National Socialists used race as a metaphor to justify their nation’s engagement in an existential struggle......

    Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History
     
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    Have you considered one of the religious based health share programs? I am enrolled in one now and there are no deductibles - everything is paid in full by the network.
     
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    Well, that eliminates the claim that Trump is a dictator - he has no such power.
     
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    Actually, it is. When a person works 40 hrs/wk in America they should not be in poverty.
     
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    That's why we need to provide a decent safety net for the poor in this country like all other industrialized nations do.
     
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    I'd say that the U.S. doesn't provide a realistic safety net for the needy as do all other industrialized societies.
     
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    They're not. Federal poverty level for a single person is $12,060 or less annual income. A person working full time earning minimum wage would make an annual income of $15,080.

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    I would say you live on Fantasy Island.
     
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    Says who? Just because one works 40 hours does not mean they get paid what they want. If you do not make what you need then go somewhere else where you are more valuable. No one owes you a living.
     
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    hehe "Le plane! Le plane!
     
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    No one owes you their labour with such an attitude!
     
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    Our Federal Constitution does not authorize a realistic safety net for any citizen. It exists only to insure the basic liberties of the people by providing things like national defense, a court system where disputes are adjudicated, and ensuring a level playing field where all can prosper.

    Our Constitution exists to limit the governments actions against the people, not to allow it to have control over every facet of our daily lives. What other industrialized countries do for their citizens is immaterial to what ours is supposed to do to us, which can be summed up in four words - leave the citizenry alone!
     
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    Your Constitution can of course be amended...in any event, does that prohibit State governments from rendering assistance?
     
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    I agree that the gross annual salary for a person working at the Federal minimum wage of $7.25 is about $15,080. All wages are subject to a FICA tax of 7.65% which leaves a take-home pay of $13,926. The average family size is 2.54 people/household. and the federal poverty rate by size of household is:
    1 - $12,140
    2 - $16,160
    3 - $20,780
    The minimum wage will marginally support a single person but not a couple. of course then there's the cost of an apartment. The median cost of a 1BR in Indianapolis is $690/mo. I just pick that as what i consider to be an average city. Even in a small town I doubt you could beat that by much. Housing costs would then be $8,280 excluding utilities. That means a person making the minimum wage would have $5,650 for EVERYTHING ELSE including food and medical. Think you could do that?
     
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    No America, the developed country which doesn't care about the needy. This chart shows that we are LAST among developed countries in per capita income for the bottom 5, 10, and 20 % of our people.
    Per Capita Income in Dev Countries.jpg
     
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    The minimum wage is an entry wage. It's not supposed to support a family. I don't know why this needs to be explained to you.

    Also, I would hope someone has higher aspirations in life than to make minimum wage and rent a small apartment.
     
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    Actually FICA is 6.2%; Medicare is 1.45% for a combined rate of 7.65%.
     
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