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Woman Who Killed Her Baby Has Conviction Overturned, Court Says Six-Day-Old Baby Isn’t a Person

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  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    A New York court recently ruled that a Long Island woman who killed her baby in a car accident cannot be convicted because her baby was not a person yet.


    The Times Union reports Jennifer Jorgensen previously was found guilty of second-degree manslaughter for causing the death of her baby daughter in a car crash. She also was indicted for driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol and endangering the welfare of a child, according to the report.

    Jorgensen was in her third trimester when the car accident occurred in May 2008. Her daughter was delivered by C-section after the head-on collision and died six days later, according to the report.

    In October, the New York Court of Appeals reversed Jorgensen’s conviction, ruling that she was not guilty because she fatally injured her daughter before she was born.

    The court ruling compared Jorgensen’s actions to self-induced abortion and called it an offense that is “no greater than a misdemeanor.”

    According to the report:

    “… the central question in the case was whether the state Legislature intended ‘to hold pregnant women criminally responsible for engaging in reckless conduct against themselves and their unborn fetuses, such that they should be subject to criminal liability for prenatal conduct that results in postnatal death? Under the current statutory scheme, the answer to this question is no.’”

    Not all of the judges agreed on the ruling. In a dissent, Judge Eugene Fahey wrote, “I cannot join in a result that analyzes our statutes to determine that a six-day-old child is not a person.”

    Woman Who Killed Her Baby Has Conviction Overturned, Court Says Six-Day-Old Baby Isn’t a Person | LifeNews.com
     
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    As the pro-choice people are pointing out, there is no difference between the born and the unborn. A woman probably has a right to kill her child no matter how old he is. How is it a misdemeanor?

    New York.
     
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    Sick.
     
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    It isn't that she killed a 6 day old child but that the child was born after being injured in a car accident and died 6 days after his birth due to the serious injuries. They consider this a self-inflicted abortion which apparently is hunky dory. If the child was 6 days old THEN injured, she would have been convicted.
     
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    According to marxist ideology a "person" is nothing more than "matter in motion" no different than any other animal.

    The soul while it is admitted by the marxist priesthood as to being metaphysical it is not a theological entity.

    So in effect "murder" and the retribution thereof is strictly a function of government.
    Therefore, It the state says a fetus is not a person that is the final word.

    Welcome to the Brave New World komrades.
     
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    Thanks, but somehow that does not make me feel all that welcome.
     
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    If you didn't know Brave New World is a dystopian novel by Aldous Huxley
    But not to worry, we know who is in control.
     
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    This decision would appear to infer that 3rd trimester abortions are legal under any circumstances, for any reason. And it goes, lower and lower. Some years ago I read something by an abortion supporter stating that since God breathed the breath of life into Adam, the baby is not a person until "it" (not he or she) is breathing on its own. (My tongue-in-cheek reaction was that Adam was not created as a baby but as most likely as a young adult, so did that support "abortion" up until perhaps 18 years of age?)
     
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    The second ruling, right or wrong, is consistent with N.Y. and federal law.
     
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    San Antonio Express, November 6, 1969, p. 68

    "Dr. Criswell Favors Abortion Law Changes
    Dr. W. A. Criswell, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, Wednesday called for liberalization of abortion laws in the United States. 'I am in favor of liberalizing our abortion laws, because I'm a human,' Dr. Criswell told newsmen in a press conference during the Baptist General Convention of Texas meeting here through Thursday. Abortion will be debated by the convention Thursday morning. The Dallas clergyman who is a messenger (delegate) to the San Antonio meeting said that present U.S. abortion laws are 'very, very uncompromising.' He said much of the U.S. feeling on abortion resulted from 'theological doctrine that comes largely out of the Catholic Church.' The Roman Catholic Church is strongly against the idea of abortion. Dr. Criswell said, "The wife should have the privilege of aborting a conception." Asked his position on the belief that abortion is murder, Dr. Criswell said 'The child comes into being when God breathes into his nostrils the breath of life.' Dr. Criswell also voiced his approval of the Sunday Blue Laws."
     
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    Yes, I was just playing off of your statement. No doubt I’ll feel more welcome once the soma kicks in.:Wink
     
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    Covfefe?
     
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