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People go bad in their Generation

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by rockytopva, Apr 20, 2019.

  1. rockytopva

    rockytopva Well-Known Member
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    I am 56 years old and remember....

    1. The old WWI generation of my great grandparents
    2. The old WWII generation of my grandparents
    3. The Vietnam war generation of my parents

    I see huge changes in the generations. Education is become big in this day and time and the ultimate place of accomplishment among the preachers is the coveted DD (Doctorate of Divinity). But... The preaching was better with the old WWI generation, many of which did not have a third grade education. But they studied their bible and lived saintly lives.

    I would boldly say that a religious degree is utterly useless if the Spirit of Christ is not accompanied in the experience. And... How I miss the old spirit of generations past! It seems that the educated mind in not conjuring up that which is good for the Church and many times devises mischievous things!
     
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    Along with David I must cry, " If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?" - Psalms 11:3

    If the Christ like character is not there all the education in the world will not help!
     
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    And to meet a Saintly like uneducated preacher in his generation... The old Virginia Saint Robert Sheffey... As described by George Clark Rankin...

    I passed my examinations and that year I was sent to the Wytheville Station and Circuit. That was adjoining my former charge. We reached the old parsonage on the pike just out of Wytheville as Rev. B. W. S. Bishop moved out. Charley Bishop was then a little tow-headed boy. He is now the learned Regent of Southwestern University. The parsonage was an old two-and-a-half-story structure with nine rooms and it looked a little like Hawthorne's house with the seven gables. It was the lonesomest-looking old house I ever saw. There was no one there to meet us, for we had not notified anybody of the time we would arrive.

    Think of taking a young bride to that sort of a mansion! But she was brave and showed no sign of disappointment. That first night we felt like two whortleberries in a Virginia tobacco wagonbed. We had room and to spare, but it was scantily furnished with specimens as antique as those in Noah's ark. But in a week or so we were invited out to spend the day with a good family, and when we went back we found the doors fastened just as we had left them, but when we entered a bedroom was elegantly furnished with everything modern and the parlor was in fine shape. The ladies had been there and done the work. How much does the preacher owe to the good women of the Church!

    The circuit was a large one, comprising seventeen appointments. They were practically scattered all over the county. I preached every other day, and never less than twice and generally three times on Sunday.

    I had associated with me that year a young collegemate, Rev. W. B. Stradley. He was a bright, popular fellow, and we managed to give Wytheville regular Sunday preaching. Stradley became a great preacher and died a few years ago while pastor of Trinity Church, Atlanta, Georgia. We were true yokefellows and did a great work on that charge, held fine revivals and had large ingatherings.

    The famous Cripple Creek Campground was on that work. They have kept up campmeetings there for more than a hundred years. It is still the great rallying point for the Methodists of all that section. I have never heard such singing and preaching and shouting anywhere else in my life. I met the Rev. John Boring there and heard him preach. He was a well-known preacher in the conference; original, peculiar, strikingly odd, but a great revival preacher.

    One morning in the beginning of the service he was to preach and he called the people to prayer. He prayed loud and long and told the Lord just what sort of a meeting we were expecting and really exhorted the people as to their conduct on the grounds. Among other things, he said we wanted no horse- trading and then related that just before kneeling he had seen a man just outside the encampment looking into the mouth of a horse and he made such a peculiar sound as he described the incident that I lifted up my head to look at him, and he was holding his mouth open with his hands just as the man had done in looking into the horse's mouth! But he was a man of power and wrought well for the Church and for humanity.

    The rarest character I ever met in my life I met at that campmeeting in the person of Rev. Robert Sheffy, known as "Bob" Sheffy. He was recognized all over Southwest Virginia as the most eccentric preacher of that country. He was a local preacher; crude, illiterate, queer and the oddest specimen known among preachers. But he was saintly in his life, devout in his experience and a man of unbounded faith. He wandered hither and thither over that section attending meetings, holding revivals and living among the people. He was great in prayer, and Cripple Creek campground was not complete without "Bob" Sheffy. They wanted him there to pray and work in the altar.

    He was wonderful with penitents. And he was great in following up the sermon with his exhortations and appeals. He would sometimes spend nearly the whole night in the straw with mourners; and now and then if the meeting lagged he would go out on the mountain and spend the entire night in prayer, and the next morning he would come rushing into the service with his face all aglow shouting at the top of his voice. And then the meeting always broke loose with a floodtide.

    He could say the oddest things, hold the most unique interviews with God, break forth in the most unexpected spasms of praise, use the homeliest illustrations, do the funniest things and go through with the most grotesque performances of any man born of woman.

    It was just "Bob" Sheffy, and nobody thought anything of what he did and said, except to let him have his own way and do exactly as he pleased. In anybody else it would not have been tolerated for a moment. In fact, he acted more like a crazy man than otherwise, but he was wonderful in a meeting. He would stir the people, crowd the mourner's bench with crying penitents and have genuine conversions by the score. I doubt if any man in all that conference has as many souls to his credit in the Lamb's Book of Life as old "Bob" Sheffy.

    At the close of that year in casting up my accounts I found that I had received three hundred and ninety dollars for my year's work, and the most of this had been contributed in everything except money. It required about the amount of cash contributed to pay my associate and the Presiding Elder. I got the chickens, the eggs, the butter, the ribs and backbones, the corn, the meat, and the Presiding Elder and Brother Stradley had helped us to eat our part of the quarterage. Well, we kept open house and had a royal time, even if we did not get much ready cash. We lived and had money enough to get a good suit of clothes and to pay our way to conference. What more does a young Methodist preacher need or want? We were satisfied and happy, and these experiences are not to be counted as unimportant assets in the life and work of a Methodist circuit rider. - George Clark Rankin

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    Robert Sheffey was Methodist and my church is Pentecostal Holiness, which is an offspring of the Methodist church and started by a Methodist minister in the late 1800's. But... Nobody I know has a saint like character like the one just described.
     
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    It is tempting to put on our Norman Rockwell glasses and see the past as being a simpler and better time. Perhaps there is some truth to that. If we look at it objectively, formal training in biblical studies and theology is only part of developing effective preachers. First, does the aspiring preacher have the call of God? Have they been recognized by their local church pastor and elders as having ministerial graces? We live in an age when men decide for themselves whether they have been called to preach. The least objective person in the world is the one looking at you in the mirror. We are close in age and I bet we have encountered men who never should have been in the pulpit. This is one of the failures of our churches. Churches should be actively involved in calling, training, and mentoring young men to preach. I am not against seminary training but we do the church of God a great disservice by ignoring the role of the local church in equipping men for service.

    Within my circles, I know of a few young men who have M.Divs and D.Divs and are working at fast food restaurants. These men found out that they did not have the call of God upon their life, even though they thought they were called to preach. Thankfully, these men, whether through introspection or God's providence, recognized they were not called and did not go into the pulpit. However, that is not always the case. Sometimes these men push forward; not called but dead set on accomplishing their goal. Had the local church done its job, most of these instances could be avoided.

    If I am ever on a pulpit search committee, there are two questions I will ask. The first is, "How do you know you are called to vocational ministry?" The second is, "What role has your pastor and elders played in your calling, training, and mentoring?"
     
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    What exactly is this “old spirit” you long for? Is it simply a forgetful nostalgia of past times?

    Writing (or posting) a hagiography of a blessed pastor is nice but don’t so easily dismiss those faithful students that work in less glorified positions and assume God did not gently lead them there for a purpose. I’ve been taught plenty by the faithful service of a simple toilet cleaner but education is a treasure not to be passed up. It’s of immense value to those in God’s service.

    There are a great number of excellent, God-lead Christians teaching and preaching today. You need to be diligent and seek them out. God is not any less present today than in those past times.

    Rob
     
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    I remember, growing up Baptist, and going to the conferences, that the young people looked saintly in nature and well dressed. The preaching had an unction to it and we would pray after the sermon. Here is an example, taken from my Baptist church in the mid-seventies. You could sense the anointing of the Holy Spirit in the word as it was given....

     
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    It is nice when the Christian experience is accompanied with divine nature. Which is a spiritual experience and not something taught in a classroom.

    Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. - 2 Peter 1:4
     
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    Some of my wife's people are from VA, and, unfortunately, pentecostal, and they were told that Sheffy likely chased off more than he led to Jesus.
     
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