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Trump Said Nothing Wrong On January 6th

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Reformed1689, Jan 12, 2021.

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  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    Well then let me tell ya something. Casting out such edicts about respecting the potus and toning down the rhetoric needs more clarification. Right now it looks like whatever a moderator wants to say about the potus is fair game. Everyone else needs to watch their ps and qs to some undisclosed standard I suppose we are to guess about.
     
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    I think the problem here is that moderators have no standing to moderate a discussion they are engaged in.
     
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  3. JonC

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    I think you are establishing an unattainable standard. By your standard no member can call out false information spread by Pelosi, Biden, Obama ect.

    You are wrong, of course, because being honest about lies told is not disrespectful to the President.

    I suspect you would not mind if people said Biden lied about Trump (he did, several times). So please forgive me if I see your complaint as less than sincere.

    The fact is Biden and President Trump told repeated lies throughout their campaign. We can assume it was out of ignorance, but that would also imply a degree of irresponsibility (it does not take a rocket scientist to learn the VP cannot overturn the election).
     
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    This is why moderator do not moderate discussions they are engaged in.
     
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    Post 100 in this thread. Were you just expecting your admin to back you up? Looked like a veiled threat to me, which was followed up with the ‘new deal’ that you were aware of, but had yet to be shared with the rest of us. It stinks. That’s my take.
     
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  6. JonC

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    To clarify - one can talk about the policies and propaganda of a President without being disrespectful to the office of the Presidency.

    We did this with Presidents of the past, and nothing is new here.
     
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    Ummm....no sir. Not my standard. Not sure where you are missing my point but thats not it. I dont know maybe im being as ambiguous ad the new standard on the bb regarding the potus
     
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    That was not moderation (it would have turned out as moderation but not by me).

    We (staff) do not act alone. We sometimes compromise between us. But no staff member is going to allow a member disrespect the office of the Presidency.
     
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    I guess I am missing your point.

    To clarify, members can address what a President says and does. If a president tells a lie, explain the truth. Contradicting a President's words is not disrespectful to the office of the President.

    Our game of thrones is not Game of Thrones.
     
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    Nothing clarified there
     
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    I can try again.

    President Trump said a lot of things to the American people. He said there was fraud in the election. There was. But some of the things President Trump said were lies. These were untrue statements.

    Perhaps President Trump did not know they were false. It was, of course, his responsibility to check the validity of his words before speaking them to the American people. People had been saying his words were wrong. Maybe they originated with other people, who knows.

    We do not have to pretend those lies were true in order to be respectful to the office of the Presidency.

    Does that help?
     
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    Again not what im talking about.
     
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    Unless the SCOTUS tosses it as unconstitutional it would be the Electoral Act
     
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    It would take the SCOTUS declaring the votes of States unconstitutional.

    Congress has the constitutional authority to set its own procedural rules, and without at least a State legislative body declaring the certification unconstitutional there is no room to overturn the State vote.
     
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    I have no idea what you mean, Rev.
     
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    And there were multiple state legislatures asking for the certification being sent back to them Jon. That's the point.
     
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    What was the SC task to be in all of this then?
     
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    I was saying if the SC declared the Electoral Counting Act unconstitutional.
     
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    But it can't. Recalling electors is not a function of the state legislative body.

    It may be a failure of the system, but it is what it is...a mess.
     
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    Jon that is the point of Congress certifying the vote. It is a law that is on the books that has not been deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS.
     
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