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Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by Hannahande, Aug 18, 2021.

  1. Hannahande

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    I don't know where to start but, will my faith save me? I have been following the news about COVID and I'm getting worried because cases keep on increasing, new variants discovered and in addition, conspiracies circulating in social media about turning into a zombie. I'm so stressed thinking this and I feel I'm being paranoid whenever I see new COVID news. Please enlighten me.
     
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    Loaded question you ask.

    First the bad news:

    All people everywhere have the responsibility to learn, educate themselves, and act smart. This is not loose language, but I'm not going to spend half an hour now digging up all the verses in the bible that tell people to be wise, prudent, and know what Jesus forewarned about the evil agenda of the government and the horror of the last days.

    The teaching about the Sower who sows seed and it landed on 4 types of ground (Pathway, shallow ground, thorny ground, and good soil). In each of the cases, the people are responsible to bear fruit unto God. In the 3 situations that produced no fruit, they were responsible to read, learn, and keep praying for understanding so that they could bear fruit to God (pathway); to take the word far more seriously than they did and be committed to HIm than they were (the shallow); and to not let the cares of the world and other desires choke out the word (thorny).

    If you have been a Christian for more than a couple years, you should have already read the bible through a couple of times, and read many of the books within several times. The book of Revelation grants 2 special blessing in the opening paragraph: 1 for reading the book (aloud), and another for heeding the words therein.

    Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near.

    Being born in America and knowing the US Constitution should have given you more clues since the founders of America wrote explicitly that Man is not to be trusted and special limits should be put on him in a governmental sense.

    And then if you participated in any of the better denominations that urge their members to read and study the scriptures, then you had to be aware that we all have a sense that the End Days are upon us. (Some of us are more keen to it than others, and the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture has done great harm because such people believe that they will not have to go through the tortures and misery that the followers of Christ have had to endure since the 1st century, and even during Old Testament times, the righteous were persecuted.)

    Lastly, putting God to the test is not wise, i.e. doing drugs of all types or drinking while driving, or fornicating or behaving homosexually and being spared disease, as examples.

    Now the good, or at least hopeful, news:


    Mark 16:15 And he said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
    Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
    Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;
    Mark 16:18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover."
    Mark 16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
    Mark 16:20 And they went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it. Amen.


    So in conclusion, Hannahande, Seek the Lord earnestly and repent of the sin of foolishness for taking the injection from the Satanic New World Order whose agenda we should all know plainly, and then ask God to be merciful to you such that the harm from the experimental drug (it's not a vaccine) He will spare you of its harm.

    And believe, and keep beseeching Him about this.

    Learn from the widow who kept bothering the unrighteous judge. Read

    Luke 18:1 And he told them a parable, to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart.
    Luke 18:2 He said, "In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor regarded man;
    Luke 18:3 and there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, 'Vindicate me against my adversary.'
    Luke 18:4 For a while he refused; but afterward he said to himself, 'Though I neither fear God nor regard man,
    Luke 18:5 yet because this widow bothers me, I will vindicate her, or she will wear me out by her continual coming.'"
    Luke 18:6 And the Lord said, "Hear what the unrighteous judge says.
    Luke 18:7 And will not God vindicate his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them?
    Luke 18:8 I tell you, he will vindicate them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on earth?"
     
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  3. Wingman68

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    Don’t overwhelm yourself with fear or doubt. Personally, I suffer more from frustration & anger, & all of these emotions are detrimental, except for one, love. Quietly listen to your soul. You can’t obsess on what others do or say, because you don’t know if they have the faith that you have, which is the only truth. Trust that you will be guided to the right path when you listen to the voice that resides in you. He is there for you.
     
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  4. just-want-peace

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    Know 'zactly what you are feeling!!! The following verses will help you if applied!

    Prov. 3:5-6
    5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not rely on your own understanding;
    6 think about Him in all your ways, and He will guide you on the right paths.

    In 2000, when Bush ran against Gore, I went to bed satisfied that Bush had won. My wife, more of a political junkie than me, told me next AM that the "WIN" was in question. 'Course all the media were hyping that Gore had won!
    I was so low at that point that I would have had to reach UP to scratch a grasshopper's belly. I'd had heart surgery & was now in rehab.
    That same AM I went for rehab & the guy that worked with me asked what was wrong, as I was not my usual easy-going self. I explained my feelings, & he said to me, "Will, don't you know that HE is still in charge?" as he pointed upward.
    At that moment, something clicked in my brain & politics have not affected me since.
    Sure, I still get aggravated, irritated & upset, but, BUT, I still remember my chastisement & let Him handle the frustrations of stuff over which I have no control!

    As some old ad from 'bout a hundred years ago said, "Try it, you'll like it!" :Biggrin

    I am to the point that I do not trust any, ANY expert anymore; I'll just le God guide me in decisions about this political bug!
     
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  5. JonC

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    Your faith will save you (not necessarily from COVID).

    In the US we have sects with Christianity and cults outside of the faith that believe faith is proven by abstaining from medical treatment. On the other hand we have Christians who believe God uses people for His purposes (that God is a God of means).

    When you look for information (especially on the internet) you will find opinions and conclusions. Some of these are outright lies, others just form conclusions based on things they see, assuming what is not at this time known.

    You should treat the virus as serious and potentially deadly. You should also be aware that the vaccine can carry the same risk as COVID, although at a much lower risk factor. Also, the two best vaccines in terms of effectiveness are estimated at 95% (5% of vaccinated persons may still experience life threatening effects from COVID).

    We do not know the future effectiveness of the vaccines (booster vaccines are recommended after 8 months of being fully vaccinated). We also do not know the future lethality of the COVID virus.

    The best thing you can do is look at the data (the actual facts) and make a decision by weighing the benefits-risks of the vaccine against the risks of COVID.

    At University hospital they have 110 COVID patients. 104 are unvaccinated and out of these 11 are in the ICU with 5 on ventilators. 6 are vaccinated with none in the ICU or on ventilators.

    Where I work we have had over 20 COVID cases. Most of the unvaccinated had serious complications (some died) while the vaccinated only had mild cold-like symptoms (and wouldn't have known it was COVID except for our reporting-testing system....i.e , if I get a cold then I have to be tested to make sure I do not have COVID).

    I look at the data and what is happening around me, and I made the decision to be vaccinated (before this last increase in cases).

    Every person should make their own decisions about their health. Neither decision demonstrates a lack of faith.
     
  6. JonC

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    I recently read a misinformation article stating that 60% (the actual number is 58%) of the covid deaths in the UK were in vaccinated persons.

    The total number of deaths was 117, but only about 2% of those were fully vaccinated (the article used the data of unvacinated and ignored the partially vs fully vaccinated varient).

    When the majority of the population is vaccinated it is common sense that most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated. So we would expect the number of vaccinated persons who die of covid to increase proportionately to the increase in vaccine rates. That said, the total number of fatalities should decline (which it is).

    In the UK the actual number of infections is much less in vaccinated people.

    There were 92,029 cases of the Delta variant confirmed – 7,235 of these had received two doses of a vaccine. There were 53,822 cases in those who had not received any shots.

    I post this as an example of data manipulation (the kind we often see on the BB)
     
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    IOW, if you are a Christian, let the HS be your guide - if you aren't a Christian, well, good luck trying to glean the truth from all the bovine excrement put out by the "medical/political" experts!!!!!:Rolleyes:Rolleyes:Rolleyes (Both schools, I might add!)
     
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    Romans 8:28 (NASB95) "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose."

    Some people believe this verse teaches we will be protected in this life. Others, myself included, believe this means that whatever happens to born anew believers in this life results in the same outcome, the events all work together in the result of our eternal life with God.

    The reason why many do not believe in physical protection being promised is many times bad or horrible things happen to those who love God.
     
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  9. JonC

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    Not quite.

    Let the Holy Spirit be your guide on spiritual matters. Whether you get the shot or decline has no bearing on your salvation.

    Christians who post misinformation or unproven "facts" should have a conviction of the sin, if not perhaps there is a spiritual issue (but some will post as a justification of their opinion out of fear they could be wrong).

    People speak about what they do not know because they are, at some level, afraid.

    I posted numbers from a local hospital. A member dismissed it as false. ..with absolutely no reason. Why? Because the numbers were not what he wanted them to be. But they are real (no conclusions were made....but the data is accurate).

    But the vaccination and even dying of covid is not a spiritual issue.
     
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    Wow!! I sure hope I don't write this ambiguously all the time!!
    All I meant was that, as a Christian, you could let the HS guide you as to vaxing, not vaxing, mask wearing etc!

    Absolutely zilch as to salvation or spiritual issues!! Hope this gives clarification!?
     
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  11. JonC

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    No, you were not ambitious (IMHO).

    To clarify - I do not believe the Holy Spirit is going to guide people to get vaccinated or not to get vaccinated.
     
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    And you would be wrong.
     
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    I understand you may believe Christians who get vaccinated do so by the guiding of the Holy Spirit, but first you need to demonstrate that God provides this type of divine special revelation to guide people in making medical decisions.

    That said, you are welcome to believe God told me to get vaccinated.

    But you are wrong- the Holy Spirit does comfort me in the decision I made, and He does put viruses and vaccines in perspective so that I can use the wisdom God has given me to make that decision without fear..
     
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    @Hannahande,
    In February 2020 my whole family were sick. My granddaughter 7, my daughter 43 and my self 71. Now my daughter this year donated blood and was tested for COVID-19 antibodies. She tested positive. In that February 2020 we were each sick for about a week. For me the worst part was I could not taste my food. This was before we knew of COVID-19.
     
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    Faith will save you from hell.

    Faith willl not save you from disease and sickness.

    Why? It doesn't work like that. Disease and sickness is a physical thing. Yes, our faith can lift a sick person up to God for healing and we should pray for all the sick.

    But Christianity is NOT a promise of never getting sick, never experiencing the death of a loved one, or never losing a job.

    Faith in Christ is a a promise for Christ to be WITH us during these times. That's what faith is.

    My mother is one of the MOST faithful people I know of. She got Covid and almost died from it. She still have lingering problems today.
     
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    I don't believe you. [Personal insult snipped by Scarlett O.]
     
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    I personally do not care what you believe or disbelieve.

    Trying to manipulate people into believing those who do not get vaccinated are following God in that choice is unChristian....not to mention pretty stupid.

    Those who decline the vaccination do so because they believe the vaccine does not work or the risks of the vaccine are greater than the risks associated with the virus.

    Those who accept the shot do so because they believe the risks associated with covid are greater than the risks of the vaccine and that the shot has a potential benefit.

    It really is that simple.
     
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    Research during the pandemic points to concerns around poor mental health and well-being for children and their parents, particularly mothers, as many are experiencing challenges with school closures and lack of childcare. Women with children are more likely to report symptoms of anxiety and/or depressive disorder than men with children (49% vs. 40%). I pity them like I pity myself. I do hope their faith is strong, please pray for us.
     
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