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The Glory of God in Predestination

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by KenH, Jun 29, 2022.

  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Couldn't care less what you post as they are non-stop falsehoods. You hold the opposite of the Biblical view.
    "God compels people to sin, then punishes them for what he caused, ring a bell?
     
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    You sure do spend a whole lot of time arguing against posts that you "couldn't care less" about.

    I, on the other hand, am willing, as God gives me strength to do so, to defend Biblical doctrine against man-based arguments against it.
     
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    We were already bound for hell

    God predestined us to salvation and heaven
     
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    You are claiming, as a hyper-Calvinist, that God causes a person to sin, then punishes the person for the sin He caused. It is an mistaken and irrational view.
     
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    Folks note that no other of the posting Calvinists have denied God causes people to sin, then punishes them for the sin He caused. Not one...
     
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    Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
     
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    Yet another non-germane post! Did anyone say God is not sovereign? Nope. Did anyone say God did not make all things for Himself? Nope Did this post address whether God causes or allows sin? Nope. On and on folks, Calvinism is obviously indefensible.
     
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    Folks note that no other of the posting Calvinists have denied God causes people to sin, then punishes them for the sin He caused. Calvinism is man-centered false doctrine, that is why they charge others with their malfeasance
    And then the endless false claim salvation depends on people rather than God. Why these obvious total falsehoods are allowed to be posted endlessly is beyond me. Scripture says our faith provides our access to God's grace, not to our obtaining that grace. God and God alone is the one who chooses to credit our faith or not. See the end of Romans 4 and the beginning of Romans 5.
     
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    "God does not ordain ends without ordaining the means; the two are inseparable. If he ordains the victory he must ordain the battle; if he ordains the battle he must ordain the army, and so on. The end that is ‘fated’ can then come about only via the means necessary for effecting that end...."

    "So in ordaining the end, God also ordains the means which bring that end to pass, and I, as a creature within that causal order, play a part in those means. The part I play is not always the one that I intend to play, or am even aware of. Nevertheless my actions have consequences, whether always intended by me or not, and in performing those actions I am contributing to the total of the causal order called divine providence. ..."

    "...we are caught up in a causal nexus, or flux, of activity to which our activities, or inactivities, invariably contribute. So the presupposition of the classical fatalistic argument, that ends could be achieved independently of any means, is an unsound one. The whole causal order is against it."

    Paul Helm, The Providence of God, ed. Gerald Bray, Contours of Christian Theology (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1993), 219-220.
     
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    Does God put lying words in peoples mouths?
     
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