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I guess Cheney does not trust voters

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, Dec 26, 2022.

  1. canadyjd

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    Cheney, and the rest of the committee,, attempted to use their official position to criminalize Trump’s actions and words, rather than find the truth. That goes beyond the normal spin politicians bamboozle their constituents with.

    That is an abuse of power. Cheney’s voters recognized her abuse and fired her. Her political career is over. She will be rewarded with a huge salary by lobbying for the defense industry.

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    You are right that the DNC has gone beyond the normal lies. But it is kinda the frog thing (put a frog in water then increase the temperature and it'll not realize it is boiling).

    The DNC ramped up their lies when Trump was elected. But so did the GOP.

    It seems each election the lies get worse.
     
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    You have to remember who BB is. IMHO (based on BB's many responses on this site), he is a liberal Christian, who supports the abortion loving, same-sex marriage loving, a man can be a woman and a woman can become a man loving democratic party.
     
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  4. Baptist Believer

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    Since you don’t actually know me, your assessment will almost certainly be incorrect.

    No, I am a biblicist and a disciple of Jesus from a historical Baptist perspective. In contrast to most posters around here, I post scripture to support my views. What confuses many is that I have not bought into the “culture warrior” version of American Christianity that seeks to use the power of the government to do the work of God instead of using the power of God to change the culture through the gospel.

    I am not a Democrat and I gave up being a Republican in 2016. I am fully independent. However, I am greatly disturbed that many Christians have abandoned the teachings of Jesus and their sense of morality to support Donald Trump at any cost to the corporate witness of the church and the Kingdom of God.

    I have just been trying to get people to take a second look to see that they have been deceived by Trumpism, but there is so much fear in even considering such a thing that we end up with threads like this where I provide evidence and no one is willing to even look at it or engage with it because they would be attacked by their peers.

    But there is a day coming where we will all have to give account to Jesus. I have a clear conscience in this area. I hope the rest of you have one, since Jesus knows the heart and you will be judged according to reality, not willful delusions.
     
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    This OP is about Cheney and her view of voters. I know many want everything to be about Trump.

    We are at a point in this country where people cannot even agree on the basic facts we are debating. We see only what we want to see and are blind to everything else.

    Bottom line, the j6 committee was bigger than Trump, bigger than Cheney. The issue is abuse of power, deception, misinformation on the part of Cheney. That abuse was recognized by her constituents and she was fired. I’m glad she’s gone.

    Peace to you
     
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    The good news is that Cheney is no longer in office

    Hmm - I wonder what is next on her agenda?
     
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  8. Baptist Believer

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    I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt. It is possible you could assume that I have been honest in all of my posts and that I am a faithful Christian (you would be correct), but it is unlikely around here.

    I would be extremely disturbed if any Christians abandoned the teachings of Jesus and sense of morality to support Joe Biden. When theology and practice gets revised to accommodate the personalities and actions of political figures, it becomes idolatry. I may be missing something, but I don’t see any Christians wearing Biden caps, decorating their vehicles with Biden flags, creating gold statues of Biden, or creating artwork depicting Biden in the role of a divine mediator, agent of God, or avenging angel. If I see something like that, I will definitely speak up.

    I have just been trying to get people to take a second look to see that they have been deceived by Trumpism, but there is so much fear in even considering such a thing that we end up with threads like this where I provide evidence and no one is willing to even look at it or engage with it because they would be attacked by their peers.

    I don’t think there is anything particularly distinctive about Biden’s leadership or philosophy from standard Democratic beliefs. Donald Trump’s philosophy is quite distinct from traditional Republican beliefs, so that’s why it gets popularly called Trumpism.

    If you actually knew me in person, you would know that I call out dishonest and/or misleading statements by Democrats all the time. There is no need to do that here, since Democrats get consistently attacked for things real and imagined on a continuing basis.

    If there is something to investigate, then that’s fine. I haven’t seen any compelling evidence against Joe Biden for corruption, but I’m open to looking at it. The only thing I have seen is video out of context and claims from a notebook computer that can’t be used as evidence since the chain of custody has been thoroughly corrupted. Hunter Biden has done some sketchy things and should be investigated by legal authorities, not Congress, since Hunter Biden has not held any public office.

    I’m glad you agree.

    BTW, this personal attack you began is off-topic. I ask that you take it somewhere else and that the moderator remove any follow-ups.
     
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    That is more to the point. Most who have supported Trump don’t consider him at all perfect, just so much better than average as politicians go. So why should such bother to criticize him when there is so much of that from the entire Dem Progressive Left media mouth, most of which is false?

    As for the Dems, your posts have touted them and Biden as following the rule of law. That is utter nonsense. They are deeply, utterly corrupt. They use their considerable power in every conceivable way to undermine the Constitution and America. They don’t do anything without being dishonest and misleading.

    It is well known how the Dems, including their FBI, corruptly “investigated” Hillary. They are tainted through and through. This Cheney committee is just another in a long list of such abuses of power.
     
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    I think it can (should) go both ways - let criticism fall where it is deserved.

    I abhor the DNC platform because it is evil. But they does not mean I should remain silent about a GOP politician.

    For example - Trump has been critical of anti-abortionists he considers extremists (he defines extremist as one who would not support killing a baby of that child was conceived via rape or incest). That means Trump is critical of me (I do not believe rape or incest a justification for killing unborn as these babies are innocent of that crime). Why should I remain silent?

    IMHO, when Christians become so political they feel bound to remain silent about one wrong because it is in opposition to another it is at that point Christians have become too political.

    When they are wrong, call out our politicians on all sides. Otherwise your side will start looking more and more like the opposition.

    Our leaders should be held to a higher standard. That is a part of leadership.
     
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    Not really quite the point. The point was that BB’s post was an admission of being totally one-sided, yet expecting others to jump on Trump for doing things that are minuscule in comparison to what the Dems are guilty of.

    The further problem is that his posts are about 99% wrong about Trump, because they mostly parrot the lies and deception of the Dem Progressive Left, which his posts ridiculously paint as upholding rule of law.

    And in this particular case, Trump is being held to a standard no one else is being held to, and by people who are deeply, utterly, obviously corrupt themselves.

    BB’s posts are dead wrong about this sham of an investigation controlled by people who hate Trump. In other words, those posts don't just fail to call out the Dem lies and deception, they promote them.
     
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  12. JonC

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    Posts are typically one sided. How many posts against the Biden Administration also criticized Trump?
     
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    ??? That post totally missed the point.

    But since we’re there, try this duo of criticisms.

    This is why the Dem Progressive Left loves Biden:
    Biden is a deeply corrupt career politician they are now using as a puppet president to destroy America as much as “legally” possible.
    From the Rep point of view, that is a criticism of Biden.

    This is why the Dem Progressive Left hates Trump:
    Trump is not a corrupt career politician, and he dared try to improve America.
    From the Dem point of view, that is a criticism of Trump.

    That’s the reality of the political game being played.
     
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    I agree with this. Members in the DNC and GOP hated that Trump was not a career politician, a part of the system. That's one thing I like about Trump.

    To be fair, I don't know if those within either party can adequately judge. It's natural to demonize the opponent whike overlooking negative aspects of the home team.

    It is, as you point our, a political game. It's like a sports event. Cheer for the home team, boo the visitors.
     
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