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How should one have believed differently?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Jan 5, 2024.

  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Luke 8:13, ". . . They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. . . ."
    How should one have believed differently?
     
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    We are to preach the Gospel, along with what the Bible says about a lost individuals personal sin against God, in a clear way that The Holy Spirit can use it, to show the lost soul their need for a Savior and then, of course, God's plain instruction to preach Jesus, as their Only Hope.

    The idea is for the lost person's soul, to find itself under the preaching and saving ability and influence of GOD'S ETERNAL WORD.

    God's words are Spirit and they are Life.

    "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing;
    the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
    John 6:63.
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    Chapter 10 - The Preparatory Work of the Holy Spirit in Salvation, pg.25.

    INTRODUCTION

    Commonly there is a work preparatory to regeneration that takes place in the sinner’s heart. Because salvation is a moral as well as a legal work this is to be expected.

    Those who are to eternally enjoy the benefits of faith in Christ are first made to see their need of Him. The self-righteous spirit of man must be broken up that the Saviour may receive all the glory in salvation.

    Before beginning this topic let us be cautioned to remember that the Holy Spirit is a sovereign agent in salvation. He works as He pleases, and one person's experience must not be made a pattern for others. Some spend months under conviction, while others are soon brought to full assurance (Acts 8:26-39; 16:25-34). Some, like Paul, find the Lord who were not seeking Him (Romans 10:20).

    Some seem to be allowed to view the depths of their depravity before they find peace; while others are led more fully into a knowledge of their sinfulness after salvation. Let us rejoice that as God alone knows our heart, so He alone knows how best to deal with each of His people.

    Being careful to keep the aforementioned facts ill mind, let us study some of the
    preparatory works of the Spirit in salvation.

    I. AWAKENING.

    No one can overestimate the danger that unsaved men are in (John 3:1.8, Hebrews 10:31), yet the Bible portrays them as asleep, blind, dead and unconscious. Death, sin, judgment and eternity are not realities to the unregenerate (Isaiah 28: 15). Men slumber on the brink of Hell.

    In awakening the sinner, God's Spirit impresses upon the mind the reality of eternity and judgment. The sinner becomes aware that he is in danger of God's wrath. Spiritual matters become important. Not everyone who is awakened is then saved. Some are lulled back to sleep by an empty profession of religion or the pull of the world. (Acts 24:25).

    II. ILLUMINATION.

    While only the regenerate are "renewed in knowledge" (Colossians 3:10) yet the
    unsaved can receive a degree of enlightenment. When a sinner is under conviction he may be ignorant of the nature of faith, but he sees clearly the danger of sin and the seriousness of eternity. For the first time his soul becomes important. Does not all this require a degree of illumination?

    Even the natural man can be made to fear Hell and be concerned for his eternal
    welfare. This is of course different from the light of regeneration that enables a man to love God. This illumination then is simply a stirring up of man's natural mind to see the danger of sin and judgment.

    III. CONVICTION.

    While "awakening" deals primarily with danger, yet "conviction" is the work of God
    whereby the cause of our danger is revealed. In conviction a man is convinced and reproved concerning his sinful condition. This alone can give the sinner a desire to know Christ.

    "A form of words, though e'er so sound,
    Can never save a soul;
    The Holy Ghost must give the wound,
    And make the wounded whole."

    A. The areas of conviction - In John 16:8-11, we find three areas wherein men are convicted:
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    1. Of sin - God convicts men of great sins they have committed (Acts 2:36-37), of
    original sin, of failure in duties and of the sin of unbelief.

    2. Of righteousness - Men are convicted of the righteousness of Christ, and of their need of His righteousness (Matthew 5:6).

    3. Of judgment to come - Judgment often has reference to rule. Men are convinced that just as Satan will be vanquished, so Christ is the coming king, and that resistance is folly. The powers of evil have no chance for victory, but all will ultimately stand before God.

    B. The need of conviction.

    1. Without conviction men would not be ready to admit their total defilement, nor to come to Christ as helpless beggars. "Christ is all" (Colossians 3:11) in salvation, and God would have the redeemed to understand this. Conviction therefore prepares the soul for faith in Christ.

    2. Conviction is preparatory to repentance. Godly sorrow (II Corinthians 7:10)
    precedes repentance which is a permanent change of heart and mind about sin.

    C. The means of conviction. While conviction is a work of God's Spirit, yet He is
    pleased to use certain truths in this work. Just as He often uses the truth of God’s
    wrath to awaken sinners so in conviction He uses:

    1. The law (Romans 3:19-20; 7:7-13). Men commonly judge themselves by their
    neighbors' actions, but in conviction they see that it is God’s glory they fall short of (Romans 3:23).

    2. The goodness of God (Romans 2:4). Many have testified that it was a view of God's goodness that convinced them of their sin.

    D. The earmarks of true conviction.

    1. Real conviction causes a man to accept his guilt (Psalms 51:4, Luke 18:9-14).
    2. Real conviction destroys self-righteousness (Luke 18:9-14, Isaiah 64:6).
    3. Real conviction sees sin as being against God (Psalms 51:4, Luke l5:18.

    4. Real conviction leads one to Christ, rather than to worldly despair (II Corinthians 7:10).

    Conviction may not be pleasant work, but it is a necessary one. To see ourselves as we are is a prerequisite to seeing Christ. In the first four beatitudes (Matthew 5:3-6) our Lord explains that only those who have experienced such conviction are truly blessed.

    IV. A DESIRE FOR THE MEANS OF GRACE.

    Before a soul is saved the Holy Spirit will often produce within him or her a desire to pray and to hear God's Word.

    CONCLUSION

    We hope that each student of God's Word can now clearly see that the purpose of the Spirit's preparatory work in salvation is to prepare the sinner to appreciate the Lord Jesus Christ. Every work of the Spirit leads the sinner closer to the realization that faith in Christ alone can save the soul.
     
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    Romans 8:9, ". . . Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. . . ."

    2 Corinthians 13:5, ". . . Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? . . ."

    1 John 5:9-13, ". . . He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. . . ."

    Romans 8:16, ". . . The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: . . .,"

    Romans 11:18, ". . . bearest not the root, but the root thee. . . ."
     
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    @Alan Gross
    You didn't answer the question.
    How should one have believed differently?
     
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    Just because one believes that there is a God, - has the knowledge - doesn't mean that there is a change in one's actions and deeds to PROVE that.

    "Faith without works is a dead faith". James, the brother of Jesus. Many people believe there is a God - may go to church once or twice a year. May know some Bible verses.

    But they are not saved.

    Jesus said that if we love him, we will keep his commandments,

    These people's "belief" was just head knowledge. No changing faith. No changed behavior.

    For example. I believe with all my heart that Joe Biden is president. That belief is in my head and I can't deny it without looking like an idiot. Yet, I have ZERO faith in him. I do not "follow" him. He has not changed me.
     
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    I am not sure I understand how you mean one should believe differently?
    Abraham was justified without works, per Genesis 15:6. And Abraham was also many years later justified by his works, per Genesis 22:12. [Ephesians 2:8-10.]
     
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    This is not an eternal text... It's a discipleship text... They are still a child of God, maybe they have gone through some hard times... How can they believe differently if you as a church member sweep them to the curb?... Show them you care... This is where Christian Charity is suppose to be your mantra... Quit being so sanctimonious, we all walk with feet of clay... These parables are for the child Of God... So you just forget the unchurched?... You want someone to forget you when you go through hard times?... Maybe showing them Christian Charity their joy will be restored and they will take root because you care... Try it!... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Agree. It's a hard thing for most to even think that all these 'grounds' represent children of God.
     
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    We disagree. There are the parables for these who are not yet in the kingdom, per Mark 4:11, " . . . And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: . . ."
     
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    Even the devil's "believe" and they tremble. But they aren't and will not be saved.

    Belief can be mere head knowledge without true faith that leads to living for Christ.

    You see people all the time who "join a church" and say they believe in God. But it isn't heart changing. They stop coming to church and go back to their old ways,

    When I spoke of works, I was speaking of living for Christ AFTER true belief.
     
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    Three gospel accounts record Jesus' parable of the sower. And the seed landing on four kinds of ground. On the side, on rocks, among the thorns, and the good ground. Now Calvinism teaches regeneration is required in order to believe. This is behind my picking the Stony ground.

    Matthew 13:10-23.
    Mark 4:10-20.
    Luke 8:9-15.
     
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