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A literal Genius Creation.
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Ben1445
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Do you mean like the ones who don’t believe the sun and moon were made on the fourth day like Genesis says?
I think I know someone who believes that some stars were destroyed before they were created because it takes that long for the light of a supernova to reach us.
But I couldn’t be sure of what everyone believes. I can’t keep everyone’s ideas straight.
David Lamb
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I find it a false argument to say that because light from stars, novae, etc. takes so long to reach earth, therefore the earth must be at least as old as the time light would take to reach us from the farthest stars we can see. God's stated purpose for creating sun, moon and stars is stated in Genesis 1:Do you mean like the ones who don’t believe the sun and moon were made on the fourth day like Genesis says?
I think I know someone who believes that some stars were destroyed before they were created because it takes that long for the light of a supernova to reach us.
But I couldn’t be sure of what everyone believes. I can’t keep everyone’s ideas straight.
(Gen 1:14 NKJV) Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
(Gen 1:15) and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.
He didn't add, "But not yet. It will take X million years for the light from some of the stars to reach earth."
I believe that God created the stars with their light already reaching earth.
I believe in a literal 24 hrs a day, in literal six days of creation basing what verses below state.
God created the "winged bird and its kind" in the fifth day and inform them what their food on the sixth day.
If the interpretation is other than the 24hrs a day, or a period of time or etc, the question would be, when will be the next meal of every winged bird and its kind?
Gen 1:21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
Gen 1:23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.
Gen 1:29 Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;
Gen 1:30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so.
Gen 1:31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
God created the heavens and earth to be habitable in six days by speaking it into existence. He designed the world step-by-step. First, He formed the spaces of the world. Then, He filled those spaces with life. Finally, He made humans to care for it all.
When God began the above where was; the great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan.
Did that one above, exist at that time and was that one above, at that time the one, as spoken of above?
From 1 John 3:8 that from beginning the devil is sinning;
Was it foreordained, before what God is about to do in Genesis 1:3-31, that the Son of God will be manifest in the figure of the one created in Verse's 26,27 to destroy the works of the one spoken of in my first sentence and would the destruction of the one spoken and his works of in my first sentence, require both sin and death?
See: 1 John 3:8,1 peter 1:20, Heb 2:14
From Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected -----Why?
From Heb 2:6,7 What is man --- Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; ----------------------------------Why?
Did the "Creation," have anything to with? --- that from beginning the devil is sinning;
The great dragon, the serpent of old called the devil, and Satan was thrown down to earth (Rev 12:9)
In Ezek 28:12-19, while initially addressed to the King of Tyre, is interpreted as symbolic account of Satan’s fall, referencing his previous state as a blameless, anointed cherub was in Eden, the garden of God. The phrase “in Eden” the garden of God, is a key indicator that the passage is not simply about a human ruler. And the description of the subject as an “anointed cherub” further points to a heavenly being, not a king. And as fallen angels has the power to transform themselves to what they are not, this point to Satan the old serpent as mentioned in Revelation.
I believe Satan was there in the creation week were childless Adam and Eve fell though God commanded them to be fruitful and multiply.(Gen 1:28)
If the "one above" refer to Satan, yes, I believe he did exist at the creation week.
John gave us one reason why Jesus came in 1Jn 3:5 (He appeared to take away our sins). Now, John gives us another reason: that He might destroy the works of the devil. We can just imagine the heart of God grieving over the destruction the devil has wrought over this earth, and grieving that man has allowed the devil to do it all. Jesus came to put a stop to all that by overcoming the devil completely by His life, His suffering, His death, and His resurrection. (Heb 2:14, 1Pet 1:19,20)
1Jn 3:5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
1Jn 3:8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
Heb 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
1Pe 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
1Pe 1:20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you
The creation was made subject to futility, because of abuse, misery, corruption etc., by God who subjected it, Gen 3:17, Gen 5:29. Adam only made it liable to the sentence which God pronounced, yet not without hope.
Gen 3:17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.
Gen 5:29 Now he called his name Noah, saying, "This one will give us rest from our work and from the toil of our hands arising from the ground which the LORD has cursed."
In chapter one, the writer to the Hebrews brilliantly demonstrated from the Scriptures the deity of Jesus and His superiority over all angels. Now he demonstrates the humanity of Jesus from the Scriptures and applies the implications of Jesus’ humanity.
The devil's first sin was at heaven and continuing, I believe God's creation week have nothing with the devil's first sin
Rev 12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back,
Rev 12:8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.