Would you fellowship with a Seventh Day Adventist Family?

Neal to 3AngelsMom An honest question for you. Do you observe all the laws of the OT?

At the risk of barging in - I would suggest that 3AM and other SDAs do not keep all of the OT laws on the basis of the Colossians 2 statement that some of those laws "are shadows of things to come" - but the fullness belongs to Christ.

In other words - some laws (like Passover) are "predictive" of future events - such as "Christ our Passover has been sacrificed".

That does not mean that you are no longer free to observe Passover for even Paul felt free to observe it after the cross. But some of those laws were explicitly "predictive" pointing forward to salvation facts related to the Messiah.

Other Laws - like the 10 commandments, and the Gen 2:3 Holy day of Christ "made for mankind" and that is to be kept "By ALL mankind coming before Me to Worship" Isaiah 66 in the New Heavens and New Earth - are NOT "predictive" shadows of Christ.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Okay, but what of other laws that are not predictive and are not in the 10 commandments, such as dietary laws, sanitation laws, and civil laws?

Neal

 

Dietary laws simply defined what "is food" what is "edible". Christ did not come to die on the cross so the pig could be clean or so you could have a ham sandwich. Those that try to get that injected into the subject of Christ's atonement are trivializing it.

The civil laws apply to the Nation - specifically to God's theocracy that He established as the Hebrew nation. Once that theocracy ended its civil laws ended with it.

The ceremonial system of laws was never obligatory for non-Hebrews even in the OT --

Once the ceremonial system that points to the specific salvific acts of the Messiah - met the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world - the urgency fades somewhat even for a Jew but the benefit of keeping the ceremony as it illustrates some salvific fact in the life of Christ remains.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Sorry, that was not my intention if you took it that way. I still don't know if you abide by it or not, though.

You say civil laws were for the Hebrew nation. Why are the 10 commandments different? Look at the context in which they are given. They were given to the ones who God brought out of Egypt (Ex. 20:2), and over and over God says 'You' (plural) directed towards the sons (or children, if you will) of Israel. To say the 10 commandments are somehow different than every other law that was not predictive in the OT is not correct and does not do justice to the context of the 10 commandments. I see no way you can insist on observing just the 10 commandments and nothing else. Your position would make better sense to me if you kept all the nonpredictive laws, not just these 10. I don't see the rationale as to why you pick just those 10 and not the others that immediately follow the 10 commandments.

Why are just those 10 different?

Neal

 

Bob regarding food that God said is "edible" vs changing that list after the cross
Those that try to get that injected into the subject of Christ's atonement are trivializing it.

Yes - keep it - abide by it. Don't eat food that God says is not edible. No mice, no cats, no dogs, no snakes etc.

God Himself makes the distinction.

The 10 commandments are in fact unique in that ONLY they were spoken by God corporately, verbally - audibly directly by God. In Deut 5 Moses said "God spoke these ten words and HE Added No More".

Only the 10 are contained on the tablets of stone according to the OT text.

Only the 10 commandments are placed Inside the ark of God.

Only the 10 commandments are listed in Romans 7 and James 2 when the law that DEFINES sin is quoted from.

Only the 10 commandment UNIT is referenced authorotatively in Eph 6 for Christians. Paul appeals to the 5th commandment and says that this "IS the FIRST commandment with a promise". That is not true of ALL the law of Moses - only of the 10 commandments. And Paul uses it as added "reason" for NT Christians to comply.

The other "civil" laws were not treated in the way described above AND the 10th commandment regarding coveting is a "thought crime" that was not even enforcable as a civil law. So although we CAN include some of the commandments in as civil laws EVEN today (such as those about Killing and Stealing and adultery and lying under oath etc) it does not void God's OWN selection of that UNIT of TEN as distinct and separate as we see above.

I agree. The commandment in Deut 6:5 to Love God with all your heart and the commandment in Lev 19:18 to Love your neighbor as yourself are ANOTHER example of OT laws that would carry over into the NT and that ARE in fact listed there.

See the above.

You are grossly over simplifying the problem OF trying to implement purely CIVIL laws when the Government (the THEOCRACY) does not exist.

ONLY under a theocracy could you ever hope to punish non-Sabbath keeping. IN Isaiah 66 we SEE that in the NEW heavens and NEW earth "ALL mankind will come before Me to Worship". And you might wonder "yes but what if I want to play celestial golf that day". There in that THEOCRACY of the New Heavens and the New Earth - your challenge to the laws of the Soevereign of the Universe might once again be subject to the laws of that Government whose King is YHWH.

WITHOUT a theocracy you basically can not enforce the first 4 commandments EVEN of the 10 commandments. But that does not mean Christians are free to worship false God's or violate the Creator's Holy day that HE sanctified at creation.

In Christ,

Bob

 

So you do keep the dietary laws of the OT, right?

In Ex. 21:1 doesn't God command Moses to set ordinances before them as well? Wasn't that from God as well? What were all these laws for if the 10 commmandments were all there was? Wasn't Moses also the go-between for the 10 commandments as well (Deut. 5:5)?

In Rom. 7, James 2, and Eph. 6 I only see parts of the commandments mentioned, and no reference to the "Ten Commandments". Yes, I see that Paul says the "first commandment with a promise", but wasn't it really the first law given with a promise in all the law as well as the 10 commandments? Also, I see no mention of the Sabbath law in these passages.

I am sorry if I have missed it if you have already posted it, but where is the Sabbath law affirmed in the NT? I am asking a serious question, I don't recall seeing it anywhere. If this is your standard as to which laws are accepted, where is it mentioned?

Fine, throw out the Civil law if it is that much of a problem. Do you keep all of the sanitation (not ceremonial) and dietary laws of the OT?

Well, if they worship a false god, then they are not Christian. As for the Sabbath, I agree God sanctified it (set it apart), but what is it that SDA's want us to do with it? Simply recognize it as the Lord's Day? Do no work? Of course, you get into what is work and such which is a whole different thread. What to Baptists do wrong that SDAs do not agree with? (I am serious, I would like to know your objections so I can discuss this properly.)

Neal

 

Oh yeah, I know you kind of said something about distinction, but weren't the 10 commandments directed specifically at the Hebrew people?

Neal

 

ALL?

Aren't there like 6000+ OT laws?

I *try* to obey the 10 Commandments.

I do not EVER, break any of the clean/ unclean distiction laws.

I am vegan.

There are lots off laws that prefigure Christ, which I obviosly don't keep, due to the fact that Jesus fulfilled them.

To the best of my knowledge I keep the laws that have not been fulfilled.

The dietary laws, fulfilled or not, I keep, just because I know that God made those distinctions WAY before the Hebrews were even a people, and He made then for the benifit of our health.

God Bless

 

posted by 3AngelsMom

Feeling a little judgemental today are you. Are the promises made to Abraham for every believer? First of all (before I answer that question), did I ever ask it or refer to it in the first place. This is the first time I hear you bringing it up. Is Someone convicting your heart of something, perhaps?
Now here is the promise originally given to Abraham:

Gen.12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will show thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
--The promise was to Abraham. God promised that He would make his name great, that he would be a blessing, that God would bless those that blessed Abraham, cursed those that cursed Abraham, and in Abraham all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
No, I can’t say that God promised me any of those promises. That was a covenant made with Abraham, not me. I doubt if my name will ever be as well known or as great as Abraham’s was. But I still know Jesus as my Saviour. I don’t know what your hang-up is, but the promises made to Abraham are for Abraham, not for you.
Because of Abraham, and his faithfulness to God, we are blessed today. But God’s promise was to Abraham; not to you. And yes, I still have a Saviour!

And your point is?? This is all true. But only up to a point. Your last point is a half-truth, that is, it is not completely truth. Christ died for all the world.

John 1:10-13
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
--He came to His own people (vs.11), but they rejected Him. But as many as received Him, (both Gentiles and Jews), they became the sons of God (Christians), those that believed on His name. Today He is calling out a nation unto Himself, not of Jews, not of SDA’s but of those who believe on His name. Those who have believed on the sacrificial blood of Christ and have been saved by His grace through faith alone become part of the nation that He is calling out. We are not Jews, but Gentiles, saved Gentiles, but Gentiles nevertheless.

YOUR APOLOGY NEEDS TO START HERE!! To accuse someone of anti-Semitism on a public board as this is both unnecessary and slanderous. I am not anti-Semitic, and it is pretty cheap of you to accuse me of being so just because you disagree with my theology.

I never denied any of these things. His law does not change. But His law (as in the Old Testament Law) was never given to Christians, and you have yet to prove that it was.

I will carefully consider this. I have blue eyes. Did Jesus have blue eyes? I am fair skinned. Are Jews fair skinned? I have an Irish last name. Does that sound like a Jewish heritage? If my last name is Irish, what tribe would I be from?
Having now considered the above evidence, and the fact that I do not live in Israel, nor do I have any link to that country or desire to live there, I think that I can safely conclude that I am not a Jew. I am also not duped! Please don’t accuse me of that also.
DHK

 

Thanks for clarifying that, Bob Ryan. (That you don't see the Sabbath
as necessary for salvation).

But...................geez, now you Sabbath worshippers are getting me
confused. You reverence Saturday over Sunday and then some
of you say it's not necessary to one's salvation; some say it IS.

What are we as viewers supposed to believe anyhow?

I commend the Catholics for not adding their two cents in here or
we'd have a real circus.

Saved
Singer

[ February 16, 2003, 04:25 AM: Message edited by: Singer ]

 

(Abiyah)
Thank you. It is sweet of you to
be concerned, but no, I do not
see this as problematic. They
are all works in progress,
following what the belief
system I reared them in taught
them. They are, in a way, where
I once was.

(Singer)
In reference to your family's non-Sabbath practice you said the
above. So you see them as a works in progress. That could be
merely wishful thinking. I see my Mormon son in law as a "works
in progress" too and quite possibly he sees me as one also. My
JW cousins might see me as a works in progress and yes, I do have
SDA cousins who might..............

My Catholic affiliates might............

My ex Cult members might.............

Can I just bow out of this three ring circus and rely on God's grace
to save me (with the light that I DO have). It's so much easier to
just believe God when he said ...."Whosoever believes". His yoke
is easy and his burden is light. You people make it so Hard.

We could easily all become FREAKS is we try to digest the input on
this board. We'd spend so much time digesting material that we'd forget
to find salvation through "believing in Him".

Not stressed though. . . .
Singer

 

Ok, this is such a simple concept, that my 5 year old gets it.

SABBATH, from sundown of Friday to sundown of Sabbath.

The first day STARTS when the sun sets on the Sabbath.

He was WITH THEM already. It was 'saturday' night until midnight. The first day of the week.

God Bless

 

3 Angels Mom:

Thanks for posting your pic...wow you do look like a little "spitfire" .

Too bad you're on the other side of the fence or you could help me in
a very difficult bar ministry. Or would you even go in a bar on Saturday
night? I did eat a fish sandwich though....that ain't meat is it ?

Ah...incase you're wondering, I sing in those bars so am I now exempt
from riducule ? I have to earn a living too ya know. (No..it's not Gospel
music)....Can you imagine that people dance to this music ....?

Consoled one little gal tonite who was crying real tears and saying no one
loved her. She was there to drown her sorrows...I suggested the Lord,
not the bottle. I had two coffee's, a 7-Up and a breathmint.

Took some used bluejeans along and gave to another needy couple. Got my
good deeds in for the day. Gave a Valentine's hug to a newly divorced
gal who was in a bitter dispute over their three children. Their dispute
came to a quick ending when he ran his new vehicle off a canyon last
month and was found frozen stiff 3 days later. She needed that hug.

Don was bartending and talked at length of the hatred his exwife
handed out to him. I said it's for him to determine to be happy and
over come that hate....not to let it destroy him....be positive and smile.
Shook his hand and said "God Bless You, Don". He's 67.

My ole buddy (age 78) who made my hatband and walked home
in the dark one nite to get it passed on this week. I'll miss him
in his spot as he sucked on those cigarettes.. Sure glad I witnessed
to him more than once. (I left out the part about worshipping on
Saturday though....I just said to "confess with your mouth and believe
in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord" type of thing. Was that wrong ?

After closing, we went out for coffee and rolls with a Catholic couple.
Topic ended with the Iraq war situation and how close we are to the
endtimes. It's good to reflect on the importance of being right with
God in these times. Pam, the waitress came by and shared how her
daughter is going to a "Dare to Share" (Christ) promotion in a large city.
Poor Pam doesn't have much for looks or many teeth, but she sure has
a heart for God and has brought up her family that way. She likes the
big silver cross that I glued to my Stetson. I like the Jesus pins she
wears on her jacket....must have 20 some on there.

Made friends with two new couples tonite....they look like they'd like
to hear about Jesus some day too.

All this in just one night.....I was never able to witness like that when
I was confined to church amongst church people. Please pray that
God will increase his Word through me.

I know..............disapproval is headed my way....
I can handle it though...believe me.

Love ya
Singer

 

Here are the places in this thread where you make reference to your denial of the Messiah. (you know, those promises made to Abraham)

Where in the New Testament, anywhere, does it command the believer to worship on the Sabbath Day?
DHK

In this statement, you dismiss the Old Testament. The OT that TELLS of the Messiah.

the Sabbath is a sign for the nation of Israel, for them only, for them and their generations forever, a sign between the Israelites and Jehovah, not anyone else. 3AM, you may be an SDA, but you are NOT a Jew; therefore the Sabbath is not for YOU!

I am a Jew. Here is one of your anti Semitic comments.

man was not to be a slave to the Sabbath

Oh, it’s mans now is it? I thought is was only for the Jews.

it calls into question the very foundation of your religion. This is not a game. It is serious business. If what Albert Barnes says here is true (and I believe it is), then you certainly do belong to a false religion. You need to think about that carefully. Your religion links the Sabbath with the mark of the beast. That is how important the Sabbath is to the SDA’s. I would encourage you to study what Barnes has to say carefully. “Examine yourself and see whether you are in the faith.”
DHK

Hmmmm feeling judgmental as usually? Albert Barnes dispels the VERY foundation of my Religion. So then you are admitting that this man is antichrist? Because JESUS is the VERY foundation of my Religion. We link SUNDAY with the mark of the beast, get it straight. The Sabbath is as important to us, as it is to GOD. HOLY. Let’s see, YUP, sure am. The faith delivered to the Apostles sure is a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime.

--Of all the commandments, this one specifically was given to the Israelites and no other.

More anti Semitism, where we find that ONLY Jews can be Sabbath breakers. What of the other 9? Are they the only one's not allowed to commit adultery? That is just NOT fair man!

--Very specifically does the Lord say that the Sabbath day was a sign between Jehovah and Israel, and no other people. It was their covenantal sign. If you want to keep the Sabbath why not be circumcised and keep all their dietary laws as well?

Well, first off, the circumcision wouldn’t really suit me, and I DO keep the dietary laws. Again with the anti Semitism. Only the JEWS had to obey. Poor little guys!

The Sabbath is a sign between Israel and Jehovah, throughout their generations forever. It has nothing to do with you or I. That is made very explicit in Exodus 31.

So, then the covenant, (the old one) between Israel and Jehovah is still in effect? Due to the fact (as you have stated) that this is FOREVER that they are in this covenant.

So, yes, it is right to conclude that the Sabbath is pre-cross based on that information. That is when God was dealing with the Jews--before the cross. Now Israel has been set on the shelf for a season.

A shelf huh? More anti Semitism. The Sabbath BLESSING, given to man, was God’s way of ‘dealing’ with the JEWS. This is so interesting.

Now God is calling a nation out for Himself.

Out of where? The blonde haired blue eyed people? From where, Ireland?

Now that nation, in remembrance of the resurrection of Jesus Christ normally meets on the first day of the week, but according to Romans 14 is not bound to.

So which nation would that be? I am so curious to know where these people are from.

In another country that I lived in we met every Friday instead of Sundays. I am still alive; the Lord didn't strike me dead for this apparent sin.

He didn’t strike you dead for your obstinance either, so does that make it ok?

The Sabbath was specifically given to the Jew as a sign between them and Jehovah--a covenantal sign. It was never given to the gentile or the Christian.
DHK

Anti Semitism rears it’s ugly head. Jews are made to suffer. According to you, they got this stinking Sabbath curse. The sign of their ‘covenant’. Which covenant would that be exactly?

Much of the time "Sabbath" is used in a negative way, or in a way that disproves your position, as in Col.2:16,17.

So now one verse is MUCH of the time? Look at the post I made regarding the statistical occurrences of the Sabbath as opposed to the references to the ‘first day’. You are wrong.

The Sabbath, Paul teaches, is simply a shadow, an image of the real thing which was to come, which is Christ. Now that Christ is come, the Sabbath is no longer necessary.

The Sabbath, is a shadow of the FUTURE Sabbaths in Heaven. The BODY is of Christ. HIS CHURCH. Not a day. Christ is not a day. The Sabbath goes on, with or without your approval, or observance. Thank God you aren’t in charge!

We don't need the Jewish holy days, circumcision, their ceremonial laws or the Sabbath. We have Christ. He is our Sabbath.

Again some more Anti Semitism, cloaked in your hatred for the Law of God. Christ is not a day. Let’s see how YOUR theology works here: “The Son of Man is Lord also of * DHK EDIT * ‘Jesus’. WOW. That makes NO sense. But then that is NOT what it says is it? “The Son of Man is LORD also of THE SABBATH. You doctrine makes no sense.

There is no command in the New Testament command for the believer to keep the Sabbath. The Old Testament Canon was finished 450 years before Christ was born. The book of Malachi has nothing to do with this. If you bring in the Old Testament be sure to bring in Exodus 31 which specifically says that the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and Jehovah and for their generations forever. It is not for the Gentile or the believer. It is for the nation of Israel. This chapter is conveniently ignored.

Let’s see, denial of the Messiah, contradictory statements of Malachi, sarcasm in regards to our use of the WHOLE Bible, some more anti Semitism, denial of the Law of God, some more sarcasm, and the RINGER: Your attempt to imply that we don’t like Exodus 31. I LOVE THAT CHAPTER! It tells me that I have REST!!!!! In a NEVER ENDING perpetual covenant!!!

The command to keep the Sabbath is repeated many times throughout the Old Testament, for it was a command given to the Jews. It is never given to the New Testament believers, so why should it be repeated in the New Testament. This is the very reason that it isn't. It is specifically for the Jews. Please read and study Exodus 31!

Sounds to me like you need to read it and study it. That ‘command’ given ‘to the Jews’, was made for MAN. He commanded them to keep it, because they were His chosen people. The one’s the MESSIAH would come through. The one’s who would be trusted with the Law, to pass it on to ALL their generations. Guess what? I am one of those descendents! Paul was a Jew AND He was a believer. That doesn’t fit with your theology.

The reason there is no command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath is the command is for the Israelites.

Some more! God made the Sabbath for MAN. He celebrated the first Sabbath Rest with ADAM (man) and EVE (from man)! You are wrong.

He mentioned the first day of the week because of its importance to the believers. That's when they met together. These were not Jews. The church at Corinth was made up of people primarily of a Gentile or pagan background. The Sabbath would not have had much significance to them anyway.

Really? Why did the GENTILES ask Paul to come reason with them from the Scriptures ON the Sabbath? I guess they didn’t see THEN the significance of the ‘Sunday’ due to the fact that PAUL didn’t stop them. Why didn’t he say, ‘no, I’ll come back tomorrow, because the Sabbath is only for the JEWS’ ?

--The promise was to Abraham. God promised that He would make his name great, that he would be a blessing, that God would bless those that blessed Abraham, cursed those that cursed Abraham, and in Abraham all the families of the earth shall be blessed…….
No, I can’t say that God promised me any of those promises. That was a covenant made with Abraham, not me. I doubt if my name will ever be as well known or as great as Abraham’s was. But I still know Jesus as my Saviour. I don’t know what your hang-up is, but the promises made to Abraham are for Abraham, not for you.
Because of Abraham, and his faithfulness to God, we are blessed today. But God’s promise was to Abraham; not to you. And yes, I still have a Saviour!

So then the promise made to Abraham that THROUGH HIS SEED ALL the nations of the world will be blessed, isn’t for you? You have no Saviour. He is only for them. Don’t get mad at me, this is YOUR doctrine.

--He came to His own people (vs.11), but they rejected Him. But as many as received Him, (both Gentiles and Jews), they became the sons of God (Christians), those that believed on His name.

So, now you are letting the Jews in? If they are there, where is their Sabbath? Did they lose it? Is it suddenly of NO significance to them either?

Today He is calling out a nation unto Himself, not of Jews, not of SDA’s but of those who believe on His name.

And I suppose that what you mean by this is more of your obstinance and anti Semitism, and anti SDA theology that states that the Jews, and the SDA’s ARE NOT part of that nation.

Those who have believed on the sacrificial blood of Christ and have been saved by His grace through faith alone become part of the nation that He is calling out. We are not Jews, but Gentiles, saved Gentiles, but Gentiles nevertheless.

Now, Paul disagrees with you, and he gets his crazy ideas from God! THERE IS NOW NO DIFFERENCE…… sound familiar? ANTI SEMITISM. NOT JEWS<BUT GENTILES- SAVED GENTILES

I will carefully consider this. I have blue eyes. Did Jesus have blue eyes? I am fair skinned. Are Jews fair skinned? I have an Irish last name. Does that sound like a Jewish heritage? If my last name is Irish, what tribe would I be from?

Judah

Having now considered the above evidence, and the fact that I do not live in Israel, nor do I have any link to that country or desire to live there, I think that I can safely conclude that I am not a Jew.

Then you have no Saviour. He was promised to the Jews.

I am also not duped! Please don’t accuse me of that also.

Then stop acting like you are.

YOUR APOLOGY NEEDS TO START HERE!! To accuse someone of anti-Semitism on a public board as this is both unnecessary and slanderous. I am not anti-Semitic, and it is pretty cheap of you to accuse me of being so just because you disagree with my theology.

Actually, I disagree with your anti Semitism. I disagree with your dismissal of the Word of God. I disagree with your denial of the Heirship of Christians. I disagree with your blatant disregard for the Commandments of God.

I will not apologize for speaking the truth. If you don’t like being told that your statements are AGAINST Jews, then don’t make statements that are against Jews!

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

God’s people are still the same tree. Same roots, same branches, same nation. The nation God has called are JEWS. NOT Gentiles. The GENTILES are grafted into the JEWS, not the other way around.

NO DIFFERENCE. He is LORD over ALL. I am a Jew. Heir according to the promise given to Abrahams seed!

God Bless

 

Alright Nebraska:

TRANSLATE:

"Thanks for posting your pic...wow you do look like a little "spitfire" ."

Sounds like you had an awesome night!

I sing too, only not in bars any more. Married with 3 kids does that to you.

God Bless

 

The problem is that when I say you don't have to accept the Trinity or the Sabbath or ... to be saved I am NOT saying that there is "a new minimum". Rather I am saying that the conditions are the same as they have always been - full surrender to Christ the "Way the Truth and the Life".

If we receive a "love of the Truth" 2Thess 2 we do not reject things like the Trinity and the Sabbath - we accept them AS the Holy Spirit reveals them to us.

But I am not in a position to tell you which new truth the Holy Spirit is revealing to you today.

In Matt 16 Christ asks His disciples "Who do people say that I am" and Peter gives the right answer "you are the Christ the Messiah the Son of God". Peter and all the disciples had accepted Christ while many others turned from the light and chose darkness. Peter and the disciple were doing good - accepting light - new light, new truth. Accepting a LOVE of truth EVEN though it meant ignoring the Magesterium of the ONE TRUE Church started at Sinai.

And Then Christ gives Peter the NEXT 'unwelcomed truth' - "Jesus then began to tell them from that time on - how the Son of Man would be tortured and killed and rise the third day" - and What is Peter's response to "new truth" now???

"May it NEVER BE Lord".

Notice what happens next - Christ turns to Peter and says "GET THEE BEHIND ME Satan - you are setting your heart on MAN's interests not God's".

You are turning from new truth and accepting only what is convenient and pleasing to your traditions about God and the Messiah - you have gone from "WELL DONE" to the representative of Satan in that one step!

What a lesson in Matt 16.

You can nevere "coast" on the truth you already have. Instead you must receive a "LOVE of the Truth" not simply a complacency with what you already have. And that is true whether you have come to the point of accepting Sabbath or not.

In Christ,

Bob

 

No, DHK, I do not think it a legitimate
question, but merely because I had
already answered this very question,
to you, in my previous post. 8o) You
either did not read what I wrote, or . . .
what? 8o)0

 

DHK -- I am having a hard time trying
to figure out if you are not reading my
posts and are just writing back or
what is going on. I do not say this in
criticism of you, believe me, but I
seriously don't know why you are
responding as you are.

I have, in the past, found you to be an
intelligent person, so I know that is not
it. Is it perhaps just that you cannot
grasp this particular concept? I feel
stupid writing to you as though you
cannot grasp a simple concept,
because I know better. This is a bit
frustrating, because from what I know
of you, this is below your inteligence.

Just go back and read what I already
wrote. 8o) If therereally is a question,
I will be glad to answer.

DHK, this is based purely upon your
(and others') modern ideas; it is not
a historical fact. Just because the
Sabbath was later changed , and
becaase Sunday is now accepted as
the main worship day, does not mean
that te ancient peoples saw it this way.
This idea is anachronistic, totally
unfounded and unhistorical.

[ February 16, 2003, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]

 

(Bob Ryan)
Accepting a LOVE of truth EVEN though it meant ignoring the
Magesterium of the ONE TRUE Church started at Sinai.

(Singer)
I might be from the sticks Bob, but I'm with ya on this one.

(Bob Ryan)
If we receive a "love of the Truth" 2Thess 2 we do not reject things
like the Trinity and the Sabbath - we accept them AS the Holy Spirit
reveals them to us.

(Singer)
Isn't that ironic. Millions of people over the ages must have qualified for
heaven through faith and were never revealed the "truth" of the Sabbath.?
Me for one. Actually I'm told the opposite. And, NO, I'm not listening
to the devil.

(Bob Ryan)
Rather I am saying that the conditions are the same as they have
always been - full surrender to Christ the "Way the
Truth and the Life".

(Singer)
Christ said that HE was the Truth...accepting Him would be accepting
the truth. He did not say to DO things (truth)...He said He IS the truth.
There's a difference.

I sense a dependence on a day here....not the person of Jesus.

Singer

 

Hey Spitfire 3AM:

Spitfire is self explanatory I'd say....you write that way too.
I've got 3 kids too and 5 grandkids.

Did ya ever try witnessing in the bars? It's rewarding.
I've never found much interest in the Lord during a church
dinner. It's usually golf, weather and sports.

There are seekers in the bars...many are open to the Gospel.

God Bless you too

Singer