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  1. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

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    :tongue3: oops. But yes, I do love on my husband!
     
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    HP: Is this Scripture I error, or is it proof that the devils will be saved or just have plenty to drink? “He that believeth in me shall never thirst…”
     
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  3. Amy.G

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    No, the devils will not be saved. They already have a place of torment prepared just for them. They also will not believe according to the definition I gave you.
     
    #143 Amy.G, Jan 22, 2007
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    HP: So are we on or in? When Jesus said that ‘he that believeth in me shall never thirst’, are you now going to assign the same meaning to on as in as far as belief is concerned ,or is Scripture wrong and the in should be on?

    Why did not Jesus say that all the commandments can be wrapped up in the commandments you gave? Why did He specifically refer to loving God with all your heart, mind and strength, instead of just stating all you need is belief and loving one another?

    If belief to you is the same as loving God, may I ask you what loving God consists of? If you say belief I am going to scream!
     
    #144 Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 22, 2007
  5. Amy.G

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    ..........BELIEF........:laugh: :laugh:
     
    #145 Amy.G, Jan 22, 2007
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    Amy: ..........BELIEF........

    HP: Now that I have regained my composure and cleared my throat, can I love my neighbor and murder him?
     
    #146 Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 22, 2007
  7. Amy.G

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    1 John 3:11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,
    12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.

    If you love your neighbor, you will not murder him.
     
    #147 Amy.G, Jan 22, 2007
  8. Heavenly Pilgrim

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    Amy: If you love your neighbor, you will not murder him.

    HP: Isn't this easy? If you love your neighbor will you covet their belongings or their spouse?
     
    #148 Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 22, 2007
  9. Amy.G

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    No. Are you going to take me through the 10 commandments?
     
    #149 Amy.G, Jan 22, 2007
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    HP: Are you reading my mind?:)

    Let’s cut to the chase. How many of the 10 comandments will you say you believe you cannot keep and still believe in Christ and love your neighbor as yourself?
     
    #150 Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 22, 2007
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    Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him, "you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: you shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
     
    #151 Amy.G, Jan 22, 2007
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    Romans 13:
    8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
    9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
     
    #152 Claudia_T, Jan 22, 2007
  13. Heavenly Pilgrim

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    Amy: Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him, "you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: you shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

    HP: Now we see how some on this list that are not SDA avoid the questions when they get pointed. :)
     
    #153 Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 22, 2007
  14. Amy.G

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    What am I avoiding?
     
    #154 Amy.G, Jan 22, 2007
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    HP: How many of the 10 comandments will 'YOU' say you believe you cannot keep and still believe in Christ and love your neighbor as yourself?
     
    #155 Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 22, 2007
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    Let's examine your belief ...."this is talking about the meats "which God has created to be received" and those meats are found in Leviticus chapter 11 and Deuteronomy chapter 14."

    If this is right, then those who depart from the faith will be teaching others that those meats which God has declared are GOOD to eat in Leviticus chapter 11 are actually FORBIDDEN by God to eat! Does that make any sense at all to you?

    They would not forbid it unless there was some kind of Word to back it up. So can you imagine these folks forbidding folks to eat that which God has clearly said is ok to eat in Lev 11? That is simply dumb! It makes no God given sense and there is no other scripture that could possibly be manipulated into making it plausible.

    Do you see the nonsense in such a teaching? Do you think you could be convinced that what God said was good for food in Lev 11 is actually forbidden? What scripture would a person possibly quote to convince a congregation of such a thing? Is any Christian church teaching any such doctrine today?

    I know that abandoning this belief about 1 Timothy would be quite upsetting for you. It might even shatter your faith in EGW. Can you chose to ignore the obvious problem with your connection between the meats "sanctified by the word of God" spoken of in Timothy with the meats spoken of in Lev 11, as I have clearly shown? The connection you make with Lev 11 would create a teaching that would make no sense and go directly against God's word in Lev. It would be like preaching ......"hey, you know how God said it was ok to eat a lamb in Lev 11, well I say it is forbidden, I don't have any other scripture to back that up, but I am sure you will believe me when I tell you it is true".... It's just plain dumb.

    I pray you will see your folly!

    God Bless! :praying:
     
    #156 steaver, Jan 22, 2007
  17. Amy.G

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    Ohhhhhh... I get it, you want me to say we have to keep all of them in order to love God and love my neighbor! That way you can tell me that we don't just have to keep the 2, but the 10! You are very clever! And you would be correct that to break one of the 10 would be out of a lack of love for God or my neighbor, but under the new covenant there is no condemnation BECAUSE Jesus already paid the penalty and took the curse of my lawbreaking.
    Now, what were we talking about? [​IMG]
     
    #157 Amy.G, Jan 22, 2007
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    Auh Amy, there you go bringing Grace and the blood of Christ back into this! :wavey:
     
    #158 steaver, Jan 22, 2007
  19. Heavenly Pilgrim

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    HP: So you really could murder your neighbor with impunity?
     
    #159 Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 22, 2007
  20. Claudia_T

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    thats because its talking about the formation of the papacy. They forbid foods by fasting. When its talking about meats its talking about food in general and thats why it also talked about forbidding to marry.

    Mt:9:10: And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
     
    #160 Claudia_T, Jan 22, 2007
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