Can A "good" Muslim be a good American?

Jamie, I don't know what thread you are reading, but I see no "hate" towards muslims (the people...not the religion) on this thread. Me thinks the bllinders may be stuck to your temples.

 

Read ALL of the evidence. She was married at the age of six and had sex at the age of nine, not twelve. And yes they do know when. Read the evidence. That is not only statutory rape; it is the work of a pedophile.

Chapter and verse please. Cite your source. All you have to go by is legend, myth, and unsubstantiated tradition or hearsay. Give solid evidence for this statement.

 

I move for this thread to be closed. I'm becoming physically ill seeing born again Baptists defending Islam.

 

Since his father a Teacher in the mosque and had such education I dare say that gives quite a bit of credibility. Today he holds a Doctorate and is Dean of LU. People who want ot ignore the truth about a violent religion want to dismiss anyone who says otherwise. You might want to look at the links and see what he actually says.

 

Ditto!:thumbs:

 

Fair enough, I will try if the thread is not closed by then (or maybe start a new thread) but a far as I know it is based on common Jewish customs at that time. That is what they did.

On the other article I keep asking for a source for, I have not been able to find an article by the man named. I think I have followed all links. Please post again. And my real question is, what is his source for the statement that all Muslims think America is the "Great Satan"? Maybe if i see the article I will be able to find an answer for that. I doubt heavily that this man, no matter who he is, has crawled around in the brain of every Muslim.

And NNE is defending Islam. i am trying to defend the principle of Truth in what we post here. A bunch of unsubstantiated accusations have been made, and some downright untruths to go along with them. I am trying to get to the bottom of the hate-mongering thread, that is all. We not allowed to hate, and we should not be allowed to post hateful diatribes, either.

 

Personally DHK I might agree with concerning a child the age of six, nine, etc. not being consensual in the modern sense that we currently understand but I believe it would be fair to recognize that such notions as consensually within the marriage bond was not something recognized in either Semitic or European Culture until recently.

I'm not saying such is not a legitimate concern all that I am saying is that historically there was no notion of consensually as a necessity once a couple was officially married.

Also we should note that we draw our evidence of the consummation of the marriage between Muhammand ibn Abdullah and the child Bride Aisha by one or two hadith and from on one of the two great branches of Islam (the Sunnah Tradition). We have to be careful that we don't jump to conclusions on these matters due to the very limited among of information we have to review. I have discussed this particular matter many times with both Sunnah and Shiite Muslim and I can tell you they both have differing accounts and neither can speak with absolute certainty.

I would just ask that those who desire to oppose Islam do so with valid and concrete argumentation. The only thing worth doing is doing it right.

Be Well.

 

I agree, but not because of Baptist defending Islam, but because of a complete lack of love.

The greatest of all commandments is to love, and this thread shows none of that.

Jamie

 

You can always choose to not follow the thread. But basically I am with you. All these hateful threads should be closed immediately, and the first one should never have been allowed to continue.

And that is an excellent post, Bound.

 

You love Islam? I hate it!

 

Then you are falling short of your calling, Webdoggie.

 

Well that certainly leans him more creditability but I'd be very interested in which school of Islamic Legal Interpretation he or his father was educated in? There are several very large and authoritative one and many which are not as highly respected by the two great traditions of Islam (Sunnah and Shia).

Is this individual a friend of yours? Can you contact him? I'm very interested in knowing the facts because I've studied Islam myself in an academic setting and am familiar with much of it's teachings.

Thanks.

 

So, let's apply some scripture to this statement. Got any you care to quote?

Do you not follow Jesus' commands? As I pointed out in another of my posts, if I was faced with a situation of a me vers them, I to would find it hard to love them, but I certainly would try since my Lord and Master told me to.

Do you disregard everything Jesus' teaches or just what you choose to?

I don't not love Islam, but I don't hate them. I do love muslims and wish their hearts could be soften to hear the Word. I do not hate them because they want me dead. I do not hate them becasue they killed 3000+ people on 9-11. I feel sorry for these people that don't know Christ. I have compassion for them and want them to convert and become a Christ and be saved.

Until you show me where the Bible says we are to hate them, don't try to be coy and funny. Hate is a serious thing, and Jesus never taugh us this.

Jamie

 

I would have to disagree. Islam is not an ancient religion. It is comparatively recent. Mohammed lived in the seventh century, well after Christianity was well established. In fact he incorporated both Judaism and Christian thinking into his religion, and into the writing of the Koran. One can read it and see the plagiarism that is there, and also the mistakes that he made in trying to retell some of the stories of the Bible.
After seven centuries Paul's teaching on marriage was well known in nations that had been exposed to Christianity. Egypt was one of those nations. It had once been a lighthouse for the gospel with its center at Alexandria. Many of the church fathers had resided there. Alexandria had one of the largest Christian libraries known to Christianity. It was a center of missionary activity at one time. To say that Egypt had not been exposed to the teachings of Christianity would be simply naive.
Mohammed knew about them, took what he wanted--monotheism--and discarded the rest. He was a wicked man. He liked to have young girls around him. So he took them and made them his wives, full knowing that it was wrong. Aisha was one of many wives. He committed adultery and polygamy, as well as the previous mentioned sins. The sins that Mohammed committed may be categorzed in what Paul wrote to the Corinthian Church:

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles...

It was not so much as named among the pagans. It was that bad.
He was a wicked man, and there is no cause to justify his actions; to say it was the custom of the time; or to give him any other such excuse.
God's law is written on the heart of every man. He knew what he was doing, and what he was doing was wrong.

 

Dr. Emir Caner grew up in a Turkish Muslim home (his father was a Turkish Muslim). Search his name on Amazon.com and read his books.

 

He did not grow up in Turkey. The Caner boys grew up here in the U.S. His father was a Turkish Muslim and his mother was a non-practicing European protestant. The rest of what you have said is correct. I heard his personal testimony right out of his mouth and into my ears while he was my professor at SEBTS.

 

Has nothing to do with my faith...but maybe a new believer is reading this, or someone who is about to convert to Islam. I'd hate for them to see christians defending this pagan religion.

 

Ergun and Emir Caner did not grow up in Turkey. The Caner boys grew up here in the U.S. Their father was a Turkish Muslim and their mother was a non-practicing European protestant. The rest of what has been said about them is correct. I heard Emir's personal testimony right out of his mouth and into my ears while he was my professor at SEBTS. I heard Ergun's personal testimony when he preached in Chapel at SEBTS following 911. They also relay this testimony in their book, Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0825424003/?tag=baptis04-20.

 

I don't get it. My calling is to embrace Islam?

 

Who are "them"? Islam is a religion...Muslims follow the religion. I never stated I hated Muslims. I'm thinking there is confusion on what Islam is...it's NOT Muslims!