Bible used as toilet paper by Palestinian terrorists?

[Linda64]

FROM WND'S JERUSALEM BUREAU
Bible used as toilet paper by Palestinian terrorists?
WND talks to leader of notorious siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity
Posted: January 1, 2006
5:37 p.m. Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

In what many consider to be one of the most notorious holy site desecrations in recent history, nearly 100 Palestinian terrorists in April, 2002, holed up inside the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem while fleeing a massive Israeli anti-terror operation. One of Christianity's most sacred sites, the church is believed to be the birthplace of Jesus.

Israel surrounded the Church area but refused to storm the structure. Gunmen inside included wanted senior Hamas, Tzanim and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terrorists reportedly involved in suicide bombings and shooting attacks. Over 200 nuns and priests were trapped in the church after Israeli hostage negotiators failed to secure their release.

The siege ended after 39 days, when mediators agreed 13 senior terrorists would be deported to European countries, 26 would be transported to the Gaza Strip, and the remaining gunmen would be freed.

WorldNetDaily today caught up with Jihad Jaara, former Bethlehem chief for the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the leader of the Church of Nativity siege. He is currently living in exile in Ireland.

WND: There was enormous outcry in the Muslim world last May when an American magazine reported but later retracted a story claiming United States interrogators in Cuba flushed a Quran down the toilet. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims protested throughout the Middle East. But priests holed up with you in the church told reporters your group used pages of the Bible as toilet paper. Explain this seeming double standard.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48147

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Another sign that we are living in the last days.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

There doesn't seem to be any real evidence in the article that the Bible was used as toliet paper.

 

[KenH]

Mr. Jaara said, " It is completely untrue [that we used the Bible as toilet paper]."

<personal attack deleted>

[ January 02, 2006, 03:49 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

[Linda64]

Originally posted by KenH:
Mr. Jaara said, " It is completely untrue [that we used the Bible as toilet paper]."

<personal attack deleted>

There you go again, Ken--all I did was post an article and you are calling me prejudice. You don't have to name names,Ken. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you mean by your statement.

[ January 02, 2006, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

[KenH]

Then why did you use the title for the thread that you did, Linda, if you did not mean to be provocative?

The WND writer certainly meant for that title to be provocative and you went along with it.

I have started enough threads on this board to understand the use of titles to draw attention to a thread.

 

[Linda64]

I use the title that is on the article, not to be provacative---you are simply making an assumption, Ken. Am I supposed to "make up" a title other than what the title is?????????

 

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[KenH]

Originally posted by Linda64:
I use the title that is on the article

I concede the point, Linda, and I apologize. I allowed the attitude that you have displayed toward Palestinians and Muslims in other posts to color the way I read the title. I should have allowed the title to stand on its own.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Linda64:
Am I supposed to "make up" a title other than what the title is?????????

Sometimes I do so if I don't like the way the title sounds or if the title might be misleading as to the point I am wanting to make by posting it - if it is other than just a straight news story. Anyone who clicks on the LINK will see the title as it is on the webpage.

 

[Linda64]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Linda64:
I use the title that is on the article

I concede the point, Linda, and I apologize. I allowed the attitude that you have displayed toward Palestinians and Muslims in other posts to color the way I read the title. I should have allowed the title to stand on its own. </font>[/QUOTE]One question, Ken. What about your attitude towards the Israelis and Israel? I know this is off the topic, but you are assuming by your statement that I hate Muslims and Palestinians, which isn't true. What I do hate is the religion of Islam which these people follow. It is a religion of hate and murder, and those who follow it are in bondage--they are in need of salvation, just like every other lost soul. We need to pray for them and not "tolerate" their claim to be a religion of peace, which is just a smokescreen for their hatred. We are simply placating them by this "tolerance".

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Linda64:
One question, Ken. What about your attitude towards the Israelis and Israel?

I hate the modern religion of Judaism and its rejection of Christ Jesus. I do not hate the adherents of Judaism but I want their eyes to be opened to the truth. I abhore any placating of their false religion. Judaism was a God ordained religion in the Old Testament but is now no longer valid for a child of God to follow.

I regard Israel as a staunch ally of the U.S. in the Middle East and I appreciate its friendship and support toward my country in various foreign policy endeavors. I also support the military aid that the U.S. supplies to Israel as it relates to the security interests of the United States.

 

[Linda64]

Ken--

Another question: Do you believe that the God of the Old Testament is the same as the God of the New Testament?

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Of course he is.

Linda--

Question: Do you believe that Modern Day Orthodox Jews worship the same God that we do?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Linda64:
Another question: Do you believe that the God of the Old Testament is the same as the God of the New Testament?

Of course.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
Of course he is.

Linda--

Question: Do you believe that Modern Day Orthodox Jews worship the same God that we do?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Linda64]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
Of course he is.

Linda--

Question: Do you believe that Modern Day Orthodox Jews worship the same God that we do?

Joseph Botwinick

</font>[/QUOTE]Joseph--

That's an excellent question!! The Modern Day Orthodox Jews are unsaved, so no, they don't worship the same God. Modern Day Orthodox Judaism is a religion of works.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

But let me add this: Modern Day Orthodox Jews are just like anyone else who is lost. Hebrews 11:6 says:

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Hebrews 11:6)

Modern Day Orthodox Jews have a zeal for God BUT NOT ACCORDING TO KNOWLEDGE.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. (Romans 10:2)

I am a born again, blood washed Jewish believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. I came out of a Reform Jewish background. However, I do believe that the God of the OT is the same God of the NT. The lady who lead me to the Lord used to tell me that the God of the Jews is the same God of the Gentiles. It was through this lady's love for the Jewish people and their God that I came to know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour in March, 1974.

He is the Everlasting God as His Word says in Isaiah 40:28:

Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding. (Isaiah 40:28)

The same God who created the heaven and earth in Genesis 1:1 is the same God Who saves us to the uttermost:

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:25)

AMEN--MARANATHA!!

God bless

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Linda64:
The lady who lead me to the Lord used to tell me that the God of the Jews is the same God of the Gentiles. It was through this lady's love for the Jewish people and their God that I came to know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour in March, 1974.

That's wonderful.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Linda,

You agree with Ken and I on this. This is great.

The God of Biblical Jews of the Old Testament is, indeed, the same God as the the God of the New Testament. The modern day god of the Jews is not, since they deny Christ.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Linda64]

Joseph & Ken--

Anybody who denies Christ, Jew or Gentile, is under God's wrath

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36).