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Chip implants and the anti-christ

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by wtrsju, Jul 29, 2005.

  1. Marcia

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    You took the words right out of my mouth!

    I also think that anything anyone envisions as the "Mark" is going to be wrong since I don't think it's possible for anyone to know what it will be. So any theory that someone comes up with is automatically out in my book. [​IMG]

    [ August 04, 2005, 12:53 AM: Message edited by: Marcia ]
     
  2. prophecynut

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    So silly of a comment. So very, very silly.

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    The technology exists today, and never before, to mark every human being on earth with this clever electronic device.

    I believe the Body of Christ will be gone before the mark is inflicted. Once the Body is gone all manner of evil will florish, and the Mark will probably be thought to be, and will be an answer to all kinds of problems. Of course it's main value will be for commerce.
     
  4. Claudia_T

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    THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND THE SEAL OF GOD


    God has an extremely important message to give to His people in these last days of Earth's history! In fact, this message is so important that we see three special angels flying in the midst of heaven to deliver it to the entire world. Those who reject this message will receive the dreaded Mark of the Beast and they receive a devastating punishment for doing so. It is referred to in Revelation Chapter 14 as The Everlasting Gospel (verse 6). The momentous events described in Revelation 14 are portrayed as occurring right before the second coming of Christ, otherwise known as "The Harvest" (see Rev. 14:14-20 and compare with Matt.13:30).

    Now let's take a closer look at the Three Angel's Messages, for they concern us all:


    Revelation Chapter 14:
    6: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
    7: Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
    8: And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
    9: And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
    12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    After the warning against the worship of the beast and his image the prophecy declares: "Here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Since those who keep God's commandments are thus placed in contrast with those that worship the beast and his image and receive his mark, it follows that the keeping of God's law, on the one hand, and its violation, on the other, will make the distinction between the worshipers of God and the worshipers of the beast. And so obviously, those who do receive the Mark of the Beast will have no regard for the commandments of God, while at the same time, God's people do observe them.

    Friends, do you see that if we will just allow the Bible to explain itself, that it becomes easy to understand what it means? Instead of imagining all sorts of theories about what it means, we need to let God reveal the truth to us by comparing scripture with scripture. 1Cor:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    Now let's examine this in even more detail.... Revelation 14 verse 9 says that those who receive the Mark of the Beast will receive it in their forehead or in their hand. Interestingly enough, in Deuteronomy 6 verses 1-8 we read that God told His people to keep His commandments. Notice that they are told that the commandments of God are to be a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes (on their forehead)!


    Deut. 6:
    1: Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them
    5: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
    6: And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart
    8: And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

    Thus we have now learned that God's commandments were as a sign or "Mark" on the forehead or hand of His people, while the Mark of the Beast would be His sign or "Mark" on the forehead or hand of his people. Not only that, but this evil mark would involve a disregard for the commandments of God.

    We will take note now of Rev. verses 6 and 7:

    And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    The Angel just now quoted right straight out of one of the ten commandments. Does anybody recognize which of the commandments? No? -well let me show you:


    Exodus 20:
    8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
    The Angel just reminded us to worship God, our Creator, that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters, quoting from the 4th commandment... the Sabbath command! Amazing! And so this "Beast" must hate it when God's people keep His commandments and especially when they recognize Him as their Creator, as we are admonished to do in the 4th commandment.





    What is the Seal of God?
    And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." Revelation 7:1-3.

    Well friends, what is God's "seal?" A seal has to do with legal affairs. Laws are created, and they are stamped with the seal of the ruling government. A seal consists of three parts:


    The name of the ruler.

    The ruler's title.

    The territory over which he rules.

    When the government seal is placed upon a law, or on currency, it then becomes "official". The nation that is loyal to that government who made the law is to stand behind the law. In the same way, God's seal makes His law official, and the whole loyal universe is to then stand behind it!

    Anyone who is disloyal to the seal of that government, and to the law upon which it is placed, is looked upon as being disloyal to the government itself. God's seal is also placed in His law. "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples." Isaiah 8:16.

    We just read that the seal of God was to be placed in the forehead of God's faithful and loyal people as well. His law is in our hearts and in our MINDS (forehead). Under the new covenant, God's promise is this: "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those day, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them." Hebrews 10:16.

    The Holy Spirit who is the one who "seals" us, places the seal of God in our foreheads if we allow it. We now have God's law in our minds, in our conscience, --and we are loyal to it, showing that we are also loyal to the Creator, the Ruler, who Himself declared that we must keep it!

    Just as a government ruler uses his "seal" of government to enforce the laws of the land, God uses His "seal" to enforce His law. And at the same time, the Beast will use his seal or mark, to try to enforce his law in the place of God's.

    If the 7th day Sabbath is indeed God's seal, then we ought to be able to find the three different parts of a seal within that commandment, correct? Indeed it is there, let's take a close look:

    "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work . . . For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Exodus 20:8-11.

    This is the only place in the Bible where you will find God's seal. Here are the three parts of the seal.


    His name - "the Lord."

    His title - "thy God" (Creator).

    His territory - "heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is."
    Isn't that amazing? And we ought to expect then that the Beast power would work very hard to hide the truth of the sacred Sabbath from us. After all, it is God's sign or seal!

    You may ask, Is the Sabbath really the seal of God? Look at Ezekiel 20:12. "Moreover also I gave them my Sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them." "And hallow my Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God." Ezekiel 20:12,20. Note that the word "sign" means the same as "seal" --see Romans 4:11.





    The Elijah Message
    The coming of the bridegroom was at midnight--the very darkest hour (Matt. 25:6). So too will the coming of Christ take place in the darkest period of this earth's history. The days of Noah and Lot pictured the condition of the world just before the coming of the Son of man. The Scriptures pointing forward to this time tell us that Satan will work with all power and "with all deceivableness of unrighteousness." 2 Thess. 2:9, 10. His working is plainly revealed by the rapidly increasing darkness, the multitudinous errors, heresies, and delusions of these last days. Satan is leading the world captive, yes --but his deceptions are affecting even the professed churches of our Lord Jesus Christ! This great apostasy from the truths of the Scriptures will develop into darkness deep as midnight.

    But at this terrible dark time of earth's history, God has a special message to give to the world that is not unlike that given by God's servant Elijah. Before the day of the Lord, Elijah was to be sent to the world to warn them. Malachi 4:4-6: "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD." And what was the message that Elijah gave? "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him." I King 18:21. The Israelites had at that time forsaken God, and turned to the worship of Baal. In this they had departed from God's commandments, and the work of Elijah was to cry out against their worship of Baal, pleading with them to return to the commandments of God.

    The Three Angel's Messages of Revelation are a counterpart of that proclaimed by Elijah, because it too calls for people to decide between the worship of the beast and the worship of God (Revelation 14:6-12). This will cause those who understand the sign of the times to cry out against the sinful practices of the people, appealing to them to return to God by keeping His commandments. Revelation 14:9-12: "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation... Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

    This prophecy concerning the Elijah message was partially fulfilled in John the Baptist: "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come." Matt. 11:13,14

    Luke 1:16,17: And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. This spirit and power of Elias was to be manifested "Before the great and dreadful day of the Lord". Malachi 4,5.

    In John the Baptist the Lord raised up for Himself a messenger to prepare the way of the Lord at the first coming of Jesus Christ. He was to bear to the world an unflinching testimony in the denunciation of sin. Luke, in announcing John's mission and work, said, "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord" (Luke 1:17). Many of the Pharisees and Sadducees came to the baptism of John, and addressing these, he said, "O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father..." Matt 3:7-12.

    ...so too are the Three Angel's Messages of Revelation the "Elijah Message" of our time, to be given just before the second coming of Christ!





    Come out of her, My people
    In the Book of Revelation, not only are God's people called to keep His commandments and to avoid receiving the Mark of the Beast, but they are also given the call to "come OUT of Babylon":


    Revelation 18:1-4
    1: And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
    2: And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
    3: For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
    4: And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    Now that we know who God's people are... those who keep His commandments and His Sabbath, --the question is, Who or what then is this "Beast" of Revelation chapter 14? And what is "Babylon"; why are God's people called to come out of her? It would make sense that this Beast power would endeavor to somehow change the Sabbath or otherwise try to hide or get rid of it in some way, right? ...you would be correct in your assumption if that thought crossed your mind. The prophetic book of Daniel also identifies him here:

    Dan:7:25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws.

    Yes, this wicked being would think to change the very law of God... --the Sabbath, God's Seal! As a matter of fact, the prophet Isaiah, when prophesying about the end of time when the wicked would be destroyed, gave the very reason why it was that God was so angry with them: Isa:24:5: "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant."





    ...if you will let it, the Bible explains itself. And you dont have to speculate about what it means or invent all sorts of far-out theories about what the Mark of the Beast means.


    Claudia
     
  5. Claudia_T

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    MARK OF THE BEAST Part 2

    Now we come to the last point of identity, the "mark of the beast"!

    "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws. " Daniel 7.25.

    6. Take a careful look at what God means when He says that this power would "think to change times and laws." There is only one law of God, and that is found in Exodus 20. There is only one portion of that law in which time is a factor. Let's read the fourth commandment as God wrote it.

    "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. " Exodus 20:8-1 1.

    Can we discover where the Papacy has actually attempted to change the divine law of God affecting a time element? Yes, we certainly can. If you will open any Roman Catholic Catechism and turn to that portion dealing with the law of God, you will discover that the law has indeed been greatly changed. They have left out the second commandment entirely and divided the tenth commandment into two parts, thus attempting to still retain ten commandments. But notice the fourth particularly. The time element has been deliberately removed, along with the express command stating which day is the Sabbath. All that remains are the words, "Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.'

    Let us read a most challenging statement made by the Church. They have done exactly what God predicted they would do.

    "The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret, even divine laws....The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth with most ample power of binding and loosing the sheep."-From the Prompta Bibliotheca published in 1900 in Rome by the press of the propaganda.

    "The pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."-Decretal de Translat, Episcop. Cap.

    The pope's will stands for reason. He can dispense above the law, and of wrong make right by correcting and changing laws."-Pope Nicholas, Dis. 96.

    It is within the inspired words "think to change times and laws" that we discover the "mark of the beast."

    The following are all authentic quotations that will definitely answer our questions as to what the "mark of the beast" is. Notice them carefully.

    "The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."-Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893.

    You will notice in this information that the Church declares that it was not God Who changed the day from Saturday to Sunday but that they, the papists, were the ones who made this change. The Sabbath was officially changed by the Papacy at the Council of Laodicea on March 7, 364 A.D. That was 43 years after Constantine declared Sunday the day for Christians to honor as a rest day.

    "Question.-Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?"

    "Answer.-Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."-Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, p. 174.

    This quotation emphasizes the fact that since the world accepts Sunday as a day of worship, this acknowledges her supremacy.

    "I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to any one who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' The Catholic Church says, 'No; by my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' and lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church. 'Priest Enright, C.S.S.R., Kansas City, Missouri.

    There is no question concerning the changing of Sabbath the seventh day to Sunday the first day by the Papacy. You can readily see that there is nothing to be found in the Bible about changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. The Papacy is correct in stating that they changed the day.

    "In reply to a letter of October 28, 1895, to Cardinal Gibbons, asking if the church claimed the change of the Sabbath as her mark, the following was received: 'Of course the Catholic church claims that the change was her act .... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.'-C.F. Thomas, Chancellor."

    Sunday is the mark of authority of the Roman Catholic Church. It is the "Mark of the Beast." Of this there is absolutely no question, either in the Word of God or in history.
     
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    Just as a quick side note:

    The lawyer, answering said, evidently quickly, confidently and without hesitation, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." Jews were required to recite Deut. 6:5 and Lev. 19:18 morning and evening. Strict or orthodox Jews wore around their wrists and forehead little leather boxes called phalacteries, which contained these scriptures. They were considered to be a summary of the law. They are certainly the greatest commandment of the Law.

    So to have the Mark of the Beast on the forehead and hand isnt going to be some sort of computer chip or "666" plastered across your forehead and hand.

    It simply means that you give mental acknowledgement to Satan's ways, his false Law.. in how you think (forehead) and what you do (the hand). And your loyalties lie with him even though you may not claim to do so. You show it by bowing to the beast power. OR you show your loyalty to God by keeping HIS LAW.... HIS COMMANDMENTS. Will you obey God or will you obey a mere CREATURE? God or man, which? the decision is yours.

    The angel's warning is: "worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters" Rev 14:7


    Revelation 18:
    1: And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
    2: And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
    3: For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
    4: And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    God is calling those who have ignorantly bowed down to the beast power to "come out of her My people"


    Claudia
     
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    Just another side note:

    God has given to us a number whereby this beast power can be identified.

    "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast. for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Revelation 13:18.

    When the pope is crowned he is given the official title of Vicarius Filii Dei, which means Vicar of the Son of God. The name adds to 666

    Latin, of course, is the official language of the Papacy, and therefore we would expect to find the Roman numerals adding up his number. It is surprising why so few in this enlightened generation are unaware of the Bible prediction.

    One of the most amazing facts is that you can do this in the Latin, in the Hebrew, or in the Greek. It will all add up to the same-666.
     
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    As I've said elsewhere, America's destruction will be the pretext for establishing an economic system based on the mark. Immediately after the fall of America the mark will be implemented as prophesied in Rev. 14:8-9. The spiritually dead saints who die in the Lord from this point on will be blessed with eternal life (v.13). If they had been spiritually alive in Christ before America's fall they would of not been "left behind" to endure the Tribulation.

    God through out the ages has been restraining lawlessness; before the Antichrist is revealed the Restrainer "will be taken out of the way" and "all manner of evil will flourish." The world will become "as it was in the days of Noah," with "people eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage" up to the day of the Second Coming.
     
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    Just a little extra for those who want a little more information. Sometimes old testament prophecies apply to the future such as in the Book of Ezekiel. This is just a chapter I wrote (rough draft) from a booK I'm working on:


    Restorer of the Paths to dwell in

    We shall soon discover that the Sabbath commandment is the very commandment that Satan would seek to change and even obliterate, because it identifies God as the Creator and sets Him apart from every false god! The Book of Revelation speaks not only of the Beast but also of the False Prophet. But what would the False Prophet teach?

    Ezekiel 22:
    25: There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
    26: Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
    27: Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
    28: And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

    Note.--Untempered mortar is that which is improperly worked, and will not therefore hold together or stand the test. Thus it is with the reasons advanced for keeping Sunday instead of the Bible Sabbath, the seventh day. They are not only unsound and untenable in themselves, but are utterly inconsistent, contradictory, and destructive one of the other, among themselves. In nothing, perhaps, is a lack of agreement better illustrated than in the reasonings assigned for Sundaykeeping. Note the following:

    One says the Sabbath has been changed from the seventh, to the first day of the week.

    Another says that the Sabbath commandment requires only one day of rest after six days of labor, and hence there has been no change.

    Some reason that all ought to keep Sunday, because although, as they affirm, God did not appoint a particular day, yet agreement is necessary; and to have any or every day a sabbath would be equal to no sabbath at all.

    Others, to avoid the claims of God's law, assert that the Sabbath precept is one of those ordinances which was against us, contrary to us, blotted out, and nailed to the cross. Still they admit that a day of rest and convocation is necessary, and therefore the day of Christ's resurrection, they say, has been chosen.

    Another class say they believe it is impossible to know which is the seventh day, although they have no difficulty in locating the first.

    Some are so bold as to claim that Sunday is the original seventh day.

    Others, with equal certainty, say that those who keep the seventh day are endeavoring to be justified by the law and are fallen from grace.

    Another class, with more liberal views, say they believe that every one should be fully persuaded in their own mind, whether he keep this day, or that, or none at all.

    Still again, as if having found the great desideratum or missing link in the argument, men credited with even more than ordinary intelligence, will sometimes declare that it is impossible to keep the seventh day on a round and rolling earth; yet strangely, they find no difficulty in keeping Sunday anywhere, and believe that this day should be observed the world over!

    However, said Christ, "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19

    What does the Lord say will become of this wall "daubed with untempered mortar"?

    Ezekiel 13:
    1: And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    2: Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;
    3: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
    4: O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
    5: Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
    6: They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.
    7: Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
    8: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
    9: And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
    10: Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
    11: Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.

    What does it mean in Ezekiel 13 verse 5 when when God condemns the false prophets for not "going into the gaps"?: Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.? All we have to do to find out is look at what the true prophets would tell God's people. These who would call the people BACK to a keeping of the true Sabbath and those who would heed their call would be called they who "build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in" -or in other words they stand to fill the gap that had been made in the wall (the wall, the commandments, the "paths to dwell in" -Psalm 119:35). And the true prophets would rebuke God's people who claim they are His children while they forsake God's law and His Sabbath. Read:

    Isaiah 58:
    1: Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
    2: Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.
    3: Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.
    4: Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
    5: Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?
    6: Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
    7: Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
    8: Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
    9: Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
    10: And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
    11: And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
    12: And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
    13: If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
    14: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

    We shall find out who this False Prophet is (Apostate Protestantism), in league with the beast. We shall discover who it is that joins hands with the beast in proclaiming this false message. And not only that but we shall also discover who the beast himself is! Rv:20:10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    The prophecies of Ezekiel will be fulfilled in our day. Just as Daniel the prophet and John the prophet of Revelation did not know what they were actually prophesying about, neither did Ezekiel in some cases. In Ezekiel chapter 8 the prophet is taken up by the Spirit of the Lord and shown the "hole in the wall" (verse 7). This would be the "gap" or "breach"... where the Sabbath had been removed, of course, and what does he see in place of the Sabbath? See Ezekiel 8 verse 16. "And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east." SUN WORSHIP had taken the place of the true Sabbath.

    The Sun-Day Sabbath came from paganism, sun worship, "worshipping the sun towards the east".

    The "Mark" or Seal of God:

    EZEKIEL 9
    1: He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
    2: And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.
    3: And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
    4: And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
    5: And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
    6: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.


    COMPARE:
    Rv:7:1-3:
    1: And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
    2: And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
    Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    Rv:9:4: And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.


    Claudia
     
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    Claudia, burn all those Ellen White books and never look back.
     
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    Christians are sealed in the heart with the Holy Spirit, saints in the OT and the Tribulation are sealed in their forehead. Which one do you want?
     
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    Just think of this whole thing when God destroys those who have the Mark of the Beast... as a repeat, of sorts... of the time in the Old Testament when there was the Passover... God had the destroying Angel "pass over" those believers who had the blood on their door posts. Like, "the Mark" or "The Seal" of God. Well in New Testament times it will be the Commandments. Look at Deuteronomy 6 verse 9:


    DEUTERONOMY 6:
    1: Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
    2: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
    3: Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
    4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
    5: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
    6: And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
    7: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
    8: And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
    9: And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.


    EZEKIEL 9
    1: He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
    2: And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.
    3: And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
    4: And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
    5: And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
    6: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.


    COMPARE:
    Rv:7:1-3:
    1: And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
    2: And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
    Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    Rv:9:4: And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

    It has always been actually, that God wanted His people to both have faith AND keep the commandments. It is the sign that you are God's Children, along with the Sabbath in particular, a sign that you worship the true God, He who "created the heavens and the earth" Revelation 14:11,12: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.
     
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    OK with me if you want the seal on your forehead, so be it!

    Burn those books, burn those books, rah, rah, rah!
     
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    As I've said elsewhere, America's destruction will be the pretext for establishing an economic system based on the mark. Immediately after the fall of America the mark will be implemented as prophesied in Rev. 14:8-9. The spiritually dead saints who die in the Lord from this point on will be blessed with eternal life (v.13). If they had been spiritually alive in Christ before America's fall they would of not been "left behind" to endure the Tribulation.

    God through out the ages has been restraining lawlessness; before the Antichrist is revealed the Restrainer "will be taken out of the way" and "all manner of evil will flourish." The world will become "as it was in the days of Noah," with "people eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage" up to the day of the Second Coming.
    </font>[/QUOTE]You've confused me. What is a spiritually dead saint?
    I believe that with the removal (rapture) of the Body, the United States rapidly begins its downward spiral.
     
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    In Mt. 8:22; Lk. 9:60 Jesus told his disciples to "let the dead bury their own dead." Physically dead people cannot bury dead people, what he meant is let the spiritually dead bury their own physically and spiritually dead relatives, they had more important things to do in following Jesus.

    John was saying the same thing about those left behind when the mark is implemented, "Blessed are the (spiritually) dead who (physically) die in the Lord."

    How rapid is "rapidly," I say 1 hour, Rev. 18:9c; Isa. 47:9.
     
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    I conten that the US is wll into her "downward spiral."

    Sodomy is legal. 1.6 million innocent children were legally killed last year. Pornography is one of the biggest businesses in the country.

    Sounds pretty downhill to me.
     
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    I agree with your assessment but it pales in comparison with her fall after the restraining element of Christianity is removed. The financial upheaval alone will be devastating to the world, not to mention the results of unrestrained sin being loosed.
     
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    I don't believe that God will simply leave His creation to get as out of control as some you appear to think.

    Which is another knock on the false teaching of the "rapture" in premillennialism.
     
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    Are you saying the restrainer of lawlessness in 2 Thess. 2:7 is the Church, if so who restrained lawlessness before the Church began?
     
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    Are you saying the restrainer of lawlessness in 2 Thess. 2:7 is the Church, if so who restrained lawlessness before the Church began? </font>[/QUOTE]No, that's the Holy Spirit. I merely meant to state that we, the Body Church, have a restraining affect on runaway sin today. See how many unjust and ungodly laws we fight against continually. When we are removed, our relatively Godly influence will be removed allowing evil to prevail, for a while. Amidst terrible financial ruin.
     
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