Did Jesus turn the water into wine, or grape juice

I interpet scripture the way the article expresses scripture should be interpeted. I take it you didn't read the article.

Any other way YOU become the authority on God's word and not God.

This thread really should be closed like the OP requested.

 

Goodnight

 

So, you believe an article written by man that was not inspired by the Holy Spirit over that precious Word of God which was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

 

Ok I was going to sign off but this has to be answered.

I never said ALL of Rev is to be taken symbolically, but that verse is, along with others. Please read the article you may just learn something new. Hermenutics is the basics for interpeting scripture not mans opinion.

Goodnight!

 

I don't need the lesson in hermeneutics, and you don't need to take up so much band width in copying and pasting such a long article when just the URL would have been sufficient.

Yes, wine is symbolic. It often is. But what is it symbolic of here in this verse? It is symbolic of the wrath of God. That was the whole point of the post.
In alcoholic wine (made of fermentation0, the yeast (active ingredient of fermented wine) is always symbolic of sin, corruption, and false doctrine.
Beware of the leaven (yeast, fermentation) of the Pharisees. Beware of their false doctrine.
Jesus would not use yeast (fermentation) that are symbolic of corruption, sin, false doctrine, and in some places God's Wrath. Yet some on this board would use yeast to represent the blood of Christ (at the Lord's Table), thereby symbolizing corruption in his blood.
Yes, wine is often symbolic. I hope you understand that. Understand also that when you make the suggestion that Jesus was a glutton and a winebibber, that with that argument you make Jesus a sinner, and not a Saviour.
DHK

 

sounds like you are making yourself authority of how the Word of God is to be interpreted.

Get rid of wrath.
partake in any sin you want, because Revelation is just symbolic.

Get real.

Throw those trashy articles away and study the Bible.

 

The Golden Rule of Bible Interpretation

"When the PLAIN SENSE of Scripture makes COMMON SENSE, SEEK NTHER SENSE. Therefore, take EVERY WORD at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning, UNLESS the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages, and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate CLEARLY otherwise. God, in revealing His Word, neither intends nor permits the reader to be confused. He wants His children to understand." Author Unknown

The word "wine" in the Bible doesn't always means fermented. Context is so important and from what I've seen on this thread, the word "wine" is ALWAYS meaning fermented. DHK posted right at the beginning of this thread about context and I'm posting it once again. It seems like most are ignoring it--in a vain attempt to justify drinking alcoholic wine.

 

Amen, DHK.

too many try to make Jesus a sinner in order to justify their own sin. If I can prove Jesus drank fermented wine, then I can justify my drinking it.

Hogwash.

Jesus was the spotless, sinless Son of God. They can twist His words all they want, but it does not change them.

Satan tried to do the same thing using God's Word to cause Jesus to sin.

deja vu?

 

From what I can tell, no one on this thread who can see that when taken in "its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning", wine is wine (not grape juice), actually drinks. We have nothing to fear.

 

Hope,

Wine is wine. But it can be unfermented or unfermented depending on the context.

 

John 2:1-11 oinos - unfermented whether you believe it or not.

 

So, as Jesus walked the shores of Galilee, preaching His own everlasting Gospel, He was a little "tipsy"?

 

Oh yes sir, I am a preacher a moderator/pastor and have been ordained for over thirty three years, and it is my life and I take it very seriously. The church I serve now, I have been there for 17 years. The last church I served it was of 8 years. I for one did not say it was not wine, just that it was not an alcoholic wine.

5: And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot. 6: Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.

They were being punished?
The could make molten calves and worship idol gods, but not drink wine?

 

We are debating, in no way do I question you or anyone's Salvation on this board.

I could easily use the Scriptures you are using if I believed that it was an alcoholic wine, but I believe that alcohol is a "tool" of the devil.

I wonder if you traveled the road I did along with several others on here before becoming a Christian. Life itself is one of the greatest teachers of all and NJ; you learn more from the mistakes you make than you ever will with making all the right moves in life.

I must say to uphold drinking in any sort is a dangerous thing and can only lead to trouble for you with those who are around you, for there are those who will certainly take advantage of it.

[ April 02, 2006, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: Brother Bob ]

 

I don't understand how there can be debate over this. Of course Jesus drank wine and of course there was some alcohol in it. That was the only thing they had to drink which would not spoil. The alcohol in the wine killed E coli and other germs which would cause severe diarrhea.

Of course Jesus never drank to excess. But He did drink wine.