Silverhair
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I think the difference is the same as what occurs in discussions in the scope of atonement. In both cases, if all you are saying is that propitiation is available to anyone in the whole world who might come to Christ then I agree. But I don't think it requires that we claim then that it is actually universal. The reason being, as the Calvinist would say, is that the terms mean an actual real thing taking place and like you mentioned, can be used even as a verb.
It would be like if I said "I have enough red paint that I can paint every single person in the whole world red". So I could universally offer to do so and it be a true offer. But the fact still is that if I paint you red - you are truly and literally painted red. I believe that a universal use of propitiation in 1 John would be like saying "he painted everyone red" or "propitiates God for everyone" which has to mean that actual propitiation took place for everyone - which is not true. Propitiation, atonement, and even my silly being painted red, is an obvious real action that either is, or isn't. If it is, you are saved (or painted red), if not, it could still be that the "offer" stands and is a real offer - but the difference, and I hope you can see it, is propitiation or atonement cannot be kept in buckets and exist as such like paint. There is where the illustration breaks down and it's why I think using those words like you are is slightly off. You mentioned the noun/verb use of propitiation. And you are using propitiation as if it was in a bucket, like my red paint. The difference is that my bucket of paint really is a "thing" and if I paint someone that becomes the true meaning of what occurs - the fact that the verb and noun "paint" is the same English word is incidental. "Propitiation" or "atonement" only have significance or meaning as to what they do and have no meaning as a substance that could be kept because their only meaning is as they are being applied or done. That is what a Calvinist is worried about if you say atonement or propitiation is universal. To him, he sees it as if you were saying universally, everyone gets painted red, when what you mean is that everyone is being offered a red paint job, and there is plenty of red paint in a bucket, to go around. Obviously, if everyone gets painted red they are truly painted, not potentially painted or offered to be painted. If everyone's sins are atoned for, or if God is propitiated towards everyone - they are saved, not potentially saved. And while that does make atonement or propitiation particular for those saved - it does not mean that the "offer" is not there for everyone.
Dave it is a noun in three of those verses and you want it to be a verb. You are holding to your calvinism rather that the actual word of God.
Christ is the propitiation [noun] that the Father sent. He is the propitiation [the means of appeasing] for the whole world unless you think there is some other way that God can be appeased.
The propitiation is for the whole world, salvation through is only for those that have freely trusted in the risen Christ.
You are confusing propitiation and salvation.