Senator's Affair Revealed in Text Message

[Bro. Curtis]

No, you've given biblical examples of where women died and where their babies lived.

Actually, I did. Benjamin.

Okay, here goes:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=63002

I am not interested in reviewing any more arguments. Either you can back this up, or you can't. Carpro is quite correct.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I thought the above link was to another discussion. I now see it's the poll. My mistake.

 

[windcatcher]

I think the folks on this board would benefit from searching the web and reading about an ectopic pregnancy before being so quick to draw their conclusions or judgements. For one thing, if you minister to women as well as men.... there's up to a 2% chance that a pregnant woman may have an ectopic pregnancy. To lump what is a medical decision and often a medical emergency together with those of abortionist is to judge those women as deliberately ending the life of their baby and put them in the category of women for whom abortion is a choice. To do so sets back the pro-life movement as being anti- mother, anti-life, judgemental and unreasonable. While there are many women I have talked with who themselves believe it is the same as an abortion and would judge another.... the truth is that they don't know their own bodies.... the wonderful ways it works when everything works right and how remarkable it usually does......to appreciate the marvel that they have never had that problem and reasons to be thankful and praise God for his blessings; and, when something goes wrong..... how serious it can be.... and in the case of a woman looking forward to motherhood and then finding shes going to die if emergency surgery cannot stop the internal hemorrhageing..... and that the diagnosis and correction increases the chance she may not ever have a child, it is an opportunity to minister comfort in the grief she may be experiencing.

Essentially, when the fertilized zygote is correctly implanted in the lining of the womb, everything the baby needs is furnished and transferred through the lining to the placenta and back. But, in an ectopic pregnancy the placement is beyond the area which can normally sustain a pregnancy. A very few may go to near term...... because the babys placement was near enough to womb for implantation of the placenta and growth inside the womb. Spotting and pain may be the signs. But sudden and acute pain during the first trimester with or without spotting may indicate the implantation of the baby in the abdomin or fallopian tube. There the placenta starts burrying and embedding itself in whatever blood supply it can find as the baby grows. Doctors who have followed this believe that possibly as much as 50% are resolved by absorption. This means the body rejects, destroys and absorbs the abnormal placement. But the remaining becomes a medical emergency to control or prevent hemorrhaging. Ultrasound and other diagnostic techniques may determine the location and the chances of hope that the baby may have a chance or that intervention can wait. It is possible that the natural course of nature will ternminate with a 'spontaneous' abortion more commonly called a miscarriage to distinguish this from an abortion procedure.

To understand this occurrence is to distinguish between that which is a deliberate act to terminate life.... and a decision made to preserve life.... the only one likely to survive.

No, I've never worked in a related clinical setting, but my anatomy teacher was a Christian and had taught doctors and nurses as well as hygienist. The course was in the mid 60's when abortion was unheard of except for 'street talk'. I believe in giving life every chance.... but I refuse to allow an abortion lover to equate their dirty deeds with a medical emergency which is a tragedy independant of any service they promote. I also cringe when someone is so articulate regarding the promotion of life and then lump an ectopic pregnancy which ends in a surgical procedure which is tragic for mother and child, with abortion and choices and shows ignorance. It would show far more compassion and understanding to realize that surgical termination of a pregnancy may be the only choice which promotes life... an acknowledge this fact and encourage any woman who suspects this condition but wants to give her baby every chance to survive..... to choose her doctor wisely and see who would be willing to work with her as long as possibilities exist and not race to cut unless absolutely necessary.

 

[windcatcher]

My dad has been a jail minister since 1964. He has had seven kids, 4 sons who have served in the military, one son in for 28 years, so far, and he will pastor his church upon retirement. I do not know how many souls have been saved due to this, there is no way to tell. I have three sisters who have kids of their own. None of this would have happened if his mother, who died giving birth to him, had chosen to save herself.

I do not look for excuses to terminate children. I am against abortion. No caveat intended.

Brother Curtis, I praise God for the courage of your grandmother and passing that on to her children and you. My dad also lost his mother giving birth to her 6th child, my aunt, still living. The womb goes through changes with alterations of hormones and each successive pregnancy. The lining thins. Changes also occur in the mother's health, typical and common.... blood pressure and blood sugar. Modern medicine has come a long way and child birth in ages past which would kill a mother due to hemorrhage or infection or other health complication are seldom little more than an inconvenience. This doesn't mean a medically supervised birht can't go wrong.... but it does mean that doctors have more skills to anticipate and control these events which gives both mother and child a chance.

Death during child birth is not the same thing as a death due to ectopic pregnancy. And surgery for an ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion mill procedure.

 

[windcatcher]

Oh My!
Thought I was posting in another thread.....
Man oh man...... did we ever go off topic.......

Just like a slew of lemmings.......hehe! Opps!

 

[carpro]

Once it takes off, most threads have a life of their own. Getting them back on topic is almost impossible. :type:

 

[windcatcher]

Once it takes off, most threads have a life of their own. Getting them back on topic is almost impossible. :type:

This is true!

Infidelity is so low on the totem pole of my interest that I rather surprised that I ventured into this thread...... must have been the number of post which sparked my curiosity.....lol.:laugh: