Make that "most" and you mIght be closer. And make it "none" for sex offenders and almost "none" for drug peddlers and you'll be much closer.
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Make that "most" and you mIght be closer. And make it "none" for sex offenders and almost "none" for drug peddlers and you'll be much closer.
There is no "if" about it.
I'm serious too.About as effective as Transcendental Meditation and yoga.
Felons are partially disenfranchised so why not temporarily take away their citizenship in order to "rehabilitate" them with some unorthodox therapy?
You know - remember Winston Smith of 1984
HankD
I'm serious too.
Felons are partially disenfranchised so why not temporarily take away their citizenship in order to "rehabilitate" them with some unorthodox therapy?
You know - remember Winston Smith of 1984
HankD
Actually Texas has an excellent program to rehab drug offenders, but they have also found there is no effective way to rehap drug dealers. They have a 70 % rate of recidivism...and that's just the ones that get caught.
No one has ever come up with a program to rehab pedophiles. Once a pedophile, always a pedophile. They always re-offend. Some of them just don't get caught again.
Those 2 make up a huge percentage of prisoners.
Another problem is gangs and their blood in- blood out philosophy. Very hard to deal with. Even if they don't get caught committing crimes after release, the vast majority of them go right back to their gangs. The only difference is that now they are legitimized. They're ex-cons, an elevated status.
Fix those three and you could cut the prison population by 70% or more.
But the bleeding heart, poor prisoners, we can fix 'em philosophy doesn't work for me. I've been around them too much.
Every sin disease has a cure.
If a person will not respond to grace then they put themselves under the law.
Deuteronomy 25
2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number.
3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee.
HankD
Hank ~ This is about those entering the country illegally ~ in applicability to today's government agenda. It is not about putting illegals in prison, as was applied to your relative aforementioned. The illegals (for the most part ) are imprisoned after being caught committing additional crimes, (beyond illegal entrance).
So while the situation of illegal entrance was the same (as your relative), once in the country was not the same.
And no I do not agree, illegal entrance AND picked up for additional crimes is a person I want to support his education.
The government has NO authority to TAKE AWAY the citizenship of a person THEY NEVER "GRANTED" citizenship to in the first place.
A huge percentage of prisoners (nearly 50%) are sentenced for drug offenses. While additional offenses may also contribute to their drug offense, it does not negate, the drug offense.
Drug "programs" (rehab) ~
One is forced (court ordered or prison ordered)
One is voluntary (personal decision)
Court ordered or voluntary - the person is not forced to appear or finished "rehab" treatment.
IF a person actually "finishes" treatment - the treatment is billed as a success.
The "success" is to completely "detoxify" the body. Meaning, results is the body becomes free of drugs.
However the "success" of a person NOT USING drugs AGAIN, is "poor".
Now consider the percentage people who are not imprisoned, yet participate in illegal drug use. And of those who enter rehab, again, and again, and again.....and if famous, you get to hear about the poor saps death from drug use.
Removing drugs from the body, does not remove the desire (mentally or physically) for the person to again use drugs.
Well, I see your point and my major reason for disagreement is this: If we supply the offender with a useful trade he may not come back after being deported upon completion of his sentence.
So he has two reasons to keep him from returning: A useful trade; a steeper sentence awaiting him.
But yes I see your point as being the most pragmatic.
HankD
OK. But I do believe something different in addition to incarceration should be part of a "returnee" illegal alien's "punishment". Something, even if it is severe to break the mindset of lawlessness.
For all repeat offenders in fact.
But we will no doubt have to wait:
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
HankD
For all repeat offenders in fact.
But we will no doubt have to wait:
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
HankD
For a "returning" illegal ?
The thing about LAW is .... it is published, as is the penalty for disobedience; for people to KNOW ahead of time what the consequence is.
"IF" breaking into our country was a death sentence....wouldn't that be the illegal's choice to take that risk?
Wouldn't it be the nations obligation to carry out the sentence?
"IF" getting away with breaking into our country was something an illegal did, and they were caught subsequently because they were involved in a subsequent crime (any crime), and the punishment was death.....wouldn't that be the illegal's choice to take that risk?
Wouldn't it be the nations obligation to carry out the sentence?
I would wager it would prevent many first attempts.
Which IS the purpose of a "penalty" law.
Message:DON'T DO IT!!I would wager it would prevent many first attempts.
Which IS the purpose of a "penalty" law.
HankD
Of course. I have never argued that it did.