“Full Assurance of Faith” (Hebrews 10:22)

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  1. NetChaplain

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    What is the believer to be mostly assured of in the Faith?—“eternal salvation.” Nothing within the biblical doctrine of Soteriology can have even a scintilla of meaning if it rests apart from supporting the truth that “He who promised is faithful” (vs 23). “Promised” what? What in all existence has the greatest significance? Is it not endless fellowship with God! Thus, eternal life—via salvation—is the most important promise.

    The two most often discussed issues on this subject are when the gift of eternal life becomes a reality within the Christian, and the concept of losing this gift. Firstly, there can be no doubt that salvation begins at the point of faith received, otherwise there can be no other possible explanation concerning its chronological initiation. Secondly, how could it stand to reason to perceive that anything about salvation is temporal, and even if this were possible, that God gives temporal salvation to anyone, since it means “to be eternally redeemed”? This would be to either doubt God’s omniscience concerning His foreknowledge of individuals as to whether or not they will remain in it; or to misunderstand omniscience, or to be uninformed concerning the fact that God possesses omniscience.

    Faith in the provisions of these truths hold a greater meaning in this life than in the next, “for why does one still hope for what he sees (Rom 8:24)? As it is written, “We walk by faith, not by sight” (2Cor 5:7), and sight in the next life will then be the connection instead of faith now. The greatest difficulty, due to it being the most important for maturity, is that of releasing one’s own trust in self in order to see the security in the Father’s hand (true even if not realized – John 10:29) for all who are His! I say the greatest difficulty, because it is when all we’ve come to believe in concerning Christ’s mediation is tested and exercised the most, which is simple dependence on Christ’s expiation concerning our “old man” (sin source) and its sins.

    It abides well to realize that all the guilt incurred is not from sins or sinning, but from the possession (by association) of the sin source, which is to say that even if one could stop sinning altogether, the curse of guilt would yet abide within, due to the ever-present (Rom 7:17, 18, 20; Gal 5:17) source. Faith is at its pinnacle of glorifying God when exercised in “full assurance” of the Lord Jesus’ Cross-work while coexisting (but never coalescing) with the sinful Adamic nature.

    - NC
     
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    FULL ASSURANCE nothing quite says LORD I DON'T TRUST YOU then FULL ASSURANCE.
    The mistake, You said it yourself, Full assurance of FAITH vs GOD.

    Courage isn't always the guy not touched by fear, one that dares do what is right despite its presence.

    I would challenge the "FULLY ASSURED" stands no chance vs the "FULLY TESTED"
    All Love, No Faith.


    Salvation First Christian the most selfish chicken.

    The modern day Pharisee. Today's Pharisees.

    He is given the command of GOD, and then he weighs it.......Gee is this going to EARN me 5$ or SALVATION?

    Oh this command God has given won't give me salvation?.......GUESS ILL PASS.

    Egostistical selfish Christians who only care about saving themselves.
    I'm saved your not neener-neener Christianity.

    They swear to GOD its "Faith Alone" only to WHINE about if you don't DO.....DO.....DO THINGS Their way you are going to HELL.

    While they have a perfect license to sin.

    Common sense is absent.

    They take the word DIRECTLY BACKWARDS.


    1 Corinthians 13
    2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.


    Faith will not remain forever. Its training wheels for the selfish.

    You can have perfect faith move mountains, no love it is trash.
     
  3. Martin Marprelate

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    Your first problem, Utilyan, is that you know neither the Gospel nor the power of God That makes you the most miserable person on this board.

    'If only in this life we have hope in Christ, we are all men the most pitiable' (1 Corinthians 15:19).

    Your second problem is your Pride. It comes out in your inverted spiritual one-upmanship. You are more holy because you don't want eternal life. If you knew anything about the Gospel, you would know that Christians don't love God in order to be saved- we love Him because we are saved.

    'In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins' (1 John 4:10). 'We love Him because He first loved us' (1 John 4:19). Stop boasting about your super-special love for God and start boasting about His love for you. 'But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ' (Galatians 6:14). 'As it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord"' (1 Corinthians 1:31; cf. Jeremiah 9:23-24).

    Your third problem is your unbelief. You do not believe the Holy Spirit, when He says to you:

    'Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus.......Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith' (Hebrews 10:19-22). 'Let us......' in Greek is not a suggestion, it is a command, and if you don't do it you are adding disobedience to your unbelief.

    Your fourth problem is that you don't love Christ enough. If you really loved Him your deepest desire would be to know Him throughout all eternity. Like Abraham, you would be desiring 'a better, that is, a heavenly country' (Hebrews 11:16). You would give yourself no rest until you could say, 'My Beloved is mine, and I am His' (Song of Songs 2:16), and you would be able to say, 'When I found the One I love, I held Him and would not let Him go' (Song of Songs 3:4). But you are actually not all that bothered. When He says, 'I will never leave you nor forsake you' (Hebrews 13:5), you are not troubled whether He does or not. And you think that is super-spiritual? Sheesh!

     
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    I didn't mention you, but it convicted you.

    John 14
    15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

    Doesn't say put a price tag on whether his command gives you something or not like some whore.
     
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    :Roflmao
    It's like teaching an elephant to climb a tree. :Rolleyes

    1 John 4:10 again! 'In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.' If anyone loves God, it is because God has already loved him and Jesus Christ has already paid the admission fee for heaven. Therefore the Christian's love for God gets him no reward because he already has it.

    Have you got that? Do you understand it? I thought not. :(
     
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    Hi Utilyan - Unless I'm misunderstanding you, it appears you are misunderstanding me. I suspect the issue here is determined by what you mean concerning "Full assurance of FAITH vs GOD." Since I'm uncertain of your meaning here I will wait for a clearer explanation of your intention.

    Blessings!
     
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    NetChaplain,

    In terms of reliance, you shouldn't rely on anything concrete or even sensation or reasoned out "proof". Like having to walk to a mirror to confirm and acknowledge you exist.

    You might have good parents. You might know them. You don't check a certificate, or like a oil dip stick check for oil in regards to their love for you and your love for them. You don't need "assurance" with them. And it would be borderline insult to request assurance from them.

    Oh God is visiting.....let me put my football helmet on.....ok ready!

    Faith and trust are not different. Anything that would make you vulnerable to God should be accepted.

    The very idea of seeking leverage of safety AGAINST God, That's what I see "ASSURANCE" being and I believe that is flawed.

    God himself is the "Assurance", Its not anything you can grab or do, its not your faith either.

    Faith is like crutch or training wheels, one day before God you will throw it away.


    We can't have this attitude of let me read scripture so I can protect myself from God.
    It should be God with you and reading the bible.

    Faith assured that's nothing You need to be able to trust and smile to God in what to everyone else would appear the most very doomed circumstance.
     
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    Breathing, Making your blood flow in the right places, Heart beat. You can't do none of those things without God.

    Jesus commands Love God and Love Neighbor. His desire and want is established.

    On what grounds should I mistrust GOD in the capability of carrying out his command?

    My personal capacity? I can't even exist without God, I can't even make a fist without God, I can't do one single THING without God.

    Sure hand me the wheel. If nothing can drive but God.....I am NOTHING, so I can do it.
     
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    I understand and agree here!

    Don't understand this.

    I think we have different understandings of faith. I know that faith is the confirmation of our salvation, without which we cannot please God, and is what we are saved "through" (Eph 2:8). No faith, no salvation!

    Blessings!
     
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    If I have to take a glance at my "confirmation" this an act of mistrust, see?

    It requires a motivation of fear or lack of trust for me to have to CHECK.
     
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    Yes, if you conceive faith only as a hope to be, instead of a know to be.
     
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    If you know your looking at this computer screen, not much faith involved at all.

    We don't tap it with our hand every 5 minutes to CONFIRM its there.

    I'm sure we all would agree on putting reliance on God alone. Like the computer screen the only "problem" I got is with folks relying on tapping on the screen. That "assurance" is a mistrust of God. God himself is our better "tapping" or confirmation. Not something outside of God.
     
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    Okay, I thought that's what you might have meant, but then I think what you may be referring to is proof, not faith.

    Faith is believing without proof, as the Apostles didn't understand nor believe about His resurrection, they being ignorant of it, until they saw and touched Him, even though He mentioned it but did not go into detail concerning it (John 20:9, 29).
     
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    I think you understand.

    And that's a good example the apostles. Particularly Thomas. When he reaches to touch the holes ect. Sure Jesus provides him "ASSURANCE". But did he really need it?

    29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

    And that's my whole point, should we act as Thomas collecting all "assurances"? do we really need assurance?
     
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    Concerning Thomas he didn't need to touch Him after seeing Him. Concerning the others, they would of had the same response if He appeared to Thomas first, then the rest.

    Of course the issue of this faith wasn't that He was the Messiah, but it was that which concerned His resurrection, remembering they weren't familiar enough with it, as probably the Lord Jesus wanted to wait until He could show them physical proof, which is what they were accustomed to (Jews require a sign - 1Cor 1:22).

    I can see that when at time we may see proof, it substantiates
    (strengthens) our faith and increases our joy. I believe the primary assurance is maintained by the Spirit (Rom 8:16) and His work of continuous opposition to the old man (Gal 5:17).
     
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