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He? His? Are you reading this thread?

 

This has happened. One of the original stated purposes of the Southern Baptist Convention was ministry to blacks people.

This has not elivated accusations that the founding of the SBC was racist...nor should it.

I think it is error to associate the ministry of a church with race. There is no scriptural basis for that aside from Paul's ministry to the gentiles...which is certainly a broader statement than Black or White.

 

I'm not even sure what "our perception of his subjection...with blacks" means.

"he" is a "she," BTW.

I have a feeling that FP doesn't "associate with blacks." I have a feeling that FP associates with friends...just as anyone else does. The racial proportions of said friends depend on lots of factors--one of the biggest being where one resides and the racial makeup of that area.

I'll admit to being sensitive about this issue. I grew up with racism playing a big role in my extended family. I was dismissed from a ministry job because I wouldn't go along with the racist policies that were enacted (a "whites only" facility!). So, yes...I get bothered when I think the BB isn't colorblind.

I think that folks should carefully re-read their posts before offering opinion on such a charged subject.

 

<personal attack deleted - LE>
Whatever point you wanted to make is unheard over your attitude toward others.

Also, there is nothing wrong with FilmProducer being proud of her husband and children for any and all of their attributes. They make them the people they are, and the family she loves.

 

Good question, remembering that Barak Obama is half white, but that is never mentioned....

 

Excellent post. :thumbs:

 

Good for your church. BTW, that covenant does not say they will only do things for the black community. People are assuming that since the word "black" appears in the covenant that they are only going to do things with and for the black community. I don't get that sense at all. The church has always been an important factor in different programs aimed at helping or aiding the black community. I asked a relevant question, as to whether anyone has actually been to a predominantly black church, and was attacked for being a PC liberal trying to hard to prove a point. However, how can anyone say they would not be welcome if they have never been? I think a lot of incorrect assumptions have been made on the basis of the word "black" in this church's covenant.

Again where in the covenant does it say it will exclude anyone? I have actually been to black churches before and have never gotten this impression, and I felt very welcome. Not trying to prove a point here, only trying to give a different insight into the issue.

I have never gone to a church because it is "black" or "white". Just like anyone else my family and I were looking for a church that was biblically sound. I will not, however, be blind to the fact that I have attended a predominantly black church, and mention my experience. The church we attend now is a mix of all people.

My question was a general question based on the many threads I have participated in. There have been threads from welfare and crime to "loose morals and sexual immorality" being a predominant factor in "black culture" where some people have argued that black people ignore the problems facing their community. Then when something a blatent as the "Millions More March" is conducted these same people cry racism at the fact that black people are stepping up and attacking these problems head on as a community. Hence my question, which is it? It cannot be both.

Again I don't think you can make the claim this church won't help others just because they have "black" in the covenant. That is an awfully narrowminded view.

Honestly, I don't care what people label me as. However, unlike you PS104_33 meant for his post to demean, and it had nothing to do with my political leanings. It was kind of obvious, hence my pointing out that he makes it seem like a vile and/or evil thing.

Wait a minute. I have NEVER implied the whole, or even the majority of the BB hold such views. I have always said SOME, and there are some people who do hold to these views.

 

LE, you are getting a bit heavy handed with your mod powers. How is pointing out someone's comments about another board member are bigoted constituting a personal attack? The comments were racist and bigoted, and you deleted much more of my comments than anything I said about that. Is it only those comments you disagree with? Why have attacks on FP not been deleted?

 

What klind of question is that? Do I mingle with "white" people? I mingle with everyone regardless of what their skin color is or their religion, or their weight, etc. I am an "equal opportunity" mingler. What do you think I live in a bubble? What because my husband is black I must only have black friends and associates? C'mon.

As for my "popular beliefs" being from the 60's. Whatever. My statement was based purely on the fact that the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, (founded by Jesse Jackson), has a specific program entitled "1,000 churches connected". Other initiatives government and non- governmental have also made a point of using the church for community outreach programs.

 

:thumbs: Excellent post!

 

How in the world can you even make that judgement about me? Ftr, I have told you MANY times I am a she!

I asked a question as to whether anyone has even been to a predominantly black church because some people are making assumptions as to whether they would be welcome or not. Right off the bat I am accused of taking pride in "mingling" with the black community, being a PC liberal, and voting for someone because of their skin color. Well, of course, at that point I am going to proudly proclaim I am proud of the black community and say why.

I don't see where I get any "pleasure" out of threads like these. :BangHead:

 

:thumbs: Thank you. Great post and excellent advice!

 

LE, I believe I completely answered this question already. Multiple times, in fact.

 

I think I am done on this thread for now. FTR, some of the things said in this thread are VERY offensive. BTW, PS104 how dare you make any assumptions about me or my family and/or friends.

 

Riled is hardly the right word. Disappointed is more like it. This is a Christian church. There is no place for ethnic pride in a Christian church.

 

Exactly the point. There is no place for ethnic pride in a Christian church.

 

This is a personal attack that is completely uncalled for and an apology is in order.

 

Attacks

Folks,
I'm not going to spend my time going back and editing all of these posts; but, can we please stick to the subject and not target the writer.

It is against board rules to personally attack someone and when you you say that someone does this or that based on what they say on the BB, you are crossing the line. When I say "you" I am not targetting a specific member of the board---there is some guilt by more than one so let's watch our responses to attacks too---responding in a personal attack is just as bad as starting one. So, all of us need to watch our writing carefully---please!

Please focus on the topic only and we will all get along much better (and I won't have to shut down the thread).

Agreed, fellow posters?

Phillip
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