1st Cor 12:13

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  1. DocCas

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    1 Cor 12:13 For <gar> <kai> by <en> one <heis> Spirit <pneuma> are <baptizo> we <hemeis> all <pas> baptized <baptizo> into <eis> one <heis> body <soma>, whether <eite> we be Jews <Ioudaios> or <eite> Gentiles <Hellen>, whether <eite> we be bond <doulos> or <eite> free <eleutheros>; and <kai> have been <potizo> all <pas> made to drink <potizo> into <eis> one <heis> Spirit <pneuma>. (Greek} (KJV)
    13 Nous avons tous, en effet, été baptisés dans un seul Esprit, pour former un seul corps, soit Juifs, soit Grecs, soit esclaves, soit libres, et nous avons tous été abreuvés d'un seul Esprit. (LSV)
    Joh 6:63; 7:37-39; Ro 6:5; Ga 3:28; Eph 2:13-14,16; Col 3:11

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    1) "For by one Spirit." (kai gar en eni pneumati) "For even in one Spirit." As there is one physical body and one church body, each with functioning members, there is also one Holy Spirit through whom and in whom and by whom eternal life is imparted and spiritual gifts are distributed to each member of the local assembly.

    2) "Are we all baptized into one body." (pantes eis en soma ebaptisthemen) "We are (were) all immersed (eis) with reference to one body or assembly." This alludes first to one's being saved, in the Spirit, and second to his being baptized, (immersed) with reference to the one body, or church assembly. Note, that on Pentecost, all who received the charismatic gifts had first been saved, (in the Spirit) and second, baptized in water, with reference to our Lord's church-following-company-duties; To receive the charismatic tongues gifts, individually, each received them through the "once for all" baptism of the Holy Ghost which came upon the church of Pentecost. He distributed to each according to His will, Ac 2:1-4; 1Co 12:11.

    3) "Whether we be Jews or Gentile " (eite foudaioi eite hellenes) "Whether Jews or Greeks." The order was 1) salvation, 2) water baptismal identity with one local congregation, and 3) in the one body, gifts were distributed to each.

    4) "Whether we be bond or free. " (eite dou lo i eite elutheroi) "Whether we be slaves or free men." Impartially, the Holy Spirit (vice-gerent of Christ in the church) parceled out or distributed to each member of each congregation His gifts.

    5) "And have been all made to drink into one Spirit." (kai pantes en pneuma epotistheroi) n-And all one spirit were given to drink or partake." The term "all one spirit were given to partake or drink" refers to the subject matter of distribution of charismatic gifts - this "once for all gift," which Jesus promised to send to the church, to be with and in her forever came to the church as a local institution, body, or assembly on Pentecost, since which time, He has continued in that one body, (kind of body) local assembly, to distribute to each member charismatic energy power or gifts of the remaining three, as He wills, even as He did before the Bible was completed - Joh 14:13-17; 1Co 13:13. It was to the church " ye" that the Holy Ghost came for empowering, Ac 2:1-4.

    Garner Commentary.
     
  2. Barnabas H.

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    Was this a question or a statement? ;)
     
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    A demonstration. :D
     
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    Demonstration of what? And who came up with #5? :confused:
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Note, that on Pentecost, all who received the charismatic gifts had first been saved, (in the Spirit) and second, baptized in water, with reference to our Lord's church-following-company-duties;<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I think the problem with this is several fold and this quote illustrates it. The quote has nothing to do with what the text says. All who had received gifts had been saved to be sure. But the text does not distinguish between being saved and being baptized. Nor does the text mention water with reference to anything. The text says that "by one Spirit we were baptized into one body." Many people have experience water baptism who have never been made a part of the body of Christ. Furthermore, the Spirit baptism of Pentecost could not be said to be true of any of the people in the church at Corinth simply on the basis of the timeline. In fact, it could not even be said of Paul himself.

    I think this author has separated "by one Spirit" from "have been baptized" in an unfortunate way because the text clearly connects the two. The baptism, whatever it is, is by one Spirit.

    Other things could be said but I must run for now. Have an appointment to keep.
     
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    "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body." It is thought by the universalist, that the word "by", if properly translated, forces us to believe that this verse has the Holy Spirit baptizing us into Christ literally, and thus the baptism could not be water baptism, and the body referred to could not be a local church body. This is interpretation either by presupposition, or by panic, or some of each. The word "by" need carry no such meaning. It simply means we are led by the Holy Spirit to unite with that local church body by water baptism, exactly as we are led by the Spirit to confess Christ in verse 3 (context, context, context). This is how Simeon, in Luke 2:27, came into the temple at the time of Christ's dedication. ("And he came by the Spirit into the temple; and when the parents brought the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,"). He came by the influence of, or the leadership of, the Holy Spirit.

    "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body." Again the "body" of this verse is the body of the context, that is, the church at Corinth. This is what Paul is, throughout the chapter, illustrating by the human body. The first question that should be asked here is this: Is the word "body" in this verse, that is the body of Christ, being used literally or figuratively? Is Paul saying we are literally being placed by this baptism in the physical, fleshly, actual body of Christ? Of course not! He is using the human body, in this chapter, to illustrate the truth of necessary union and interdependency within the church, and he is using this metaphor, "body of Christ" to illustrate the relationship the local church has with Christ as her "head," which is simply to say He has complete authority over the church. To make use of the words body or head more literal than that is to violate the whole nature of the chapter and indeed the entire epistle. Let it further be understood that we are to think locally, that is of the church at Corinth, and locally as these truths apply to us in any local church. Only in this setting can verses like 25 and 16 have any applicable reference to the context. Members of a local, visible assembly are to have the same care one for the other, suffer with each other, and rejoice when another is honored. If there were such a thing as an invisible universal body (whatever that might be) this conduct would surely not be possible for them. So the term "body" here is a metaphorical term describing the relationship that the members of the church at Corinth had with each other under Christ their head. He is talking specifically of the body, that is the church at Corinth. Oh, but you may ask, does Christ have many bodies? This is a foolish question. Once we see the metaphorical use of the word "BODY" in this passage we understand that the usage is generic or institutional and thus is not numerical in any sense of being either singular or plural.

    Christ, Himself, illustrated this principle when He instituted the Lord's Supper. Christ took a loaf of bread, on the night before His crucifixion, He broke it and said, "Take eat, this is my body." He is simply saying this piece of bread, which you are to eat, pictures my body. But he said, "This is my body." Now, are we to understand this was the only piece of bread about which that statement could be made, or that all peices of bread everywhere are a composite part of one great universal peice of bread? Absurd! When we see that the statement is metaphorical, and could be rightly made of any qualifying piece of bread, at any proper time, and in any proper place or setting, and could be referred to as "His Body," and in the singular, without violence to any other piece. The very same thing applies easily and automatically to any true church, and it does no violence to any other true church, nor does it so much as hint that they are composite parts of the same thing. Moreover, it does not hint at the foolish idea that the local church is only the manifestation of the "real thing." "the true church" or the "universal church." Notice this truth as applied to the human body in 1 Cor 12:15. Can the foot say "I am not of the body?" What body? It speaks of the human body as an object, not an individual. So is the normal case in all metaphorical usage's. QED
     
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    No reply? Does this mean I have convinced everyone? :D
     

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