2 Tim 2:15

It was already discussed that the Spanish Bible does not use merely "be diligent", but "procure with diligence".

Diccionario
To study, ... v. n. Estudiar; trabajar; aplicarse; procurar; reflexionar.

 

Procura con diligencia does is not the equivalent as study. Procurar means according to the official Spanish language dictionary El Diccionario Esencial de la Lengua Español:

For those that can not read Spanish that means to accomplish something with diligence or strength.

So my question still stands. And I await an answer. Is my RVR wrong for saying basically what the modern versions say?

I could go on to say that if Reina wanted to use the word for study he could have (estudiar).

 

I thought we'd agreed that in 1611 "study" meant "strive" or "work diligently" if used in that context. But then thecontext in Timothy isn't as clear as it is in Thessalonians, I. E. "STUDY to be quiet".

Even though I don't read Spanish, I'd say the RVR reading is quite correct, given the definition of "spoudazo". The AV men simply used "study" according to one of its definitions in THEIR day, a definition not used NOW.

 

Could it possibly be that God has His word to remain unusual to the natural man? Yes.

It's not solely the "Greek word", it's the use of that Greek word in context and the tense of that verb.:godisgood:

 

OK, we'll continue to study on it, yall just keep being diligent!:laugh:

 

Again, your modern thinking still confuses you.

Study requires diligence, but diligence doesn't require study.

You've misrepresented the use of the word, again.

 

And still does and will always.

 

I wonder which is more easily understood by today's reader: study, or diligence!:laugh:

 

Yep, you must be tuned into the right wavelength.

 

Are you trying to say that study doesn't require diligence???

 

I believe you've left some one very special to Timothy out of his being instructed.

OK, there it is, the REAL problem; it's called "contemporary sense".

So you think that Paul instructed Timothy to be diligent without first study of the things he was to be diligent in?:laugh:

The more convolutions I read the more my stomach hurts from the laughter!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

OK, from a Spanish standpoint, tell us how one goes about procuring something without first studying the approach, theorizing a concept to extract, then using precautionary measures, ( learned precautions from previous studies)?

 

Why not answer the question? Is the RVR wrong in your opinion since it does not translate the word as study?

 

In the area of studying to be quiet, it requires the diligence incorporating past experience,(using a concept most commonly known as "study") to know when to answer and when to keep one's mouth shut.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

I cannot say it was "wrong", but that what you offered shows the Spanish to reveal diligence requires study.

You have no point, but a preconceived notion.

 

No; I think you have misunderstood my post if you ask that question. Timothy was admonished to "study" (in the sense of 'be diligent') all the things that Paul verbally taught him about doctrine and the office of pastor, which was predominately through Paul's verbal instruction. Paul's spoken theological instruction and explanation of pastorial duties were the foremost things in which Timothy needed to be diligent. You are implying that Timothy should first study (in the sense of reading, reflecting, or reseaching) the scriptures. But Timothy would have had precious little Christian writings at that time to study.

 

The Spainish Bible, RVG said, "Estudia con diligencia para presentarte a Dios aprobado..."

 

Interesting... Study is in the RVG.

 

Which edition of the Spanish Bible do you have?


The 1602 Spanish Valera had the following at 2 Timothy 2:15

"Procura con diligencia prefentarte a Dios approvodo ..."

A present-day edition of the Spanish Bible printed in Texas has the following at 2 Timothy 2:15

"Procura con diligencia presentarte a Dios aprobado ..."

A present-day edition of the Spanish Bible that reprints with permission the edition printed by the Trinitarian Bible Society of England has the following at 2 Timothy 2:15

"Procura con diligencia presentarte a Dios aprobado ..."

 

Dr. Humberto Gomez Sr, a Bible-believing native Mexican, who has served as a Missionary to his own people for over 30 years, devoted 8 years of his life to revising the Spanish Bible, which eventually became known as the Reina Valera Gomez Bible (hereafter RVG). The RVG is a Spanish Bible of which all traces of the corrupt Alexandrian Texts have been removed. It is in total conformity to the Received Texts. And consequently it reads parallel with the KJV. But to Calvin George, this is not a good thing. To him, it’s a bad thing.
However, despite Calvin George’s disapproval of the RVG, worldwide support for this Spanish Bible is growing on a daily basis. - From www.biblefortoday.org