4 Philadelphia Christians were thrown in Jail for witness

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    Good afternoon,

    I received email from my friend. He sends the article of 4 Christians in Philadelphia, PA. They were arrested and thrown in jail for stood up on the sidewalk in the downtown, with the Bibles and witness to people. They are face 47 years in jail, fine them $90,000, Please read: https://store.afa.net/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=27

    American Family Association asks us, to send letter of encouragement: http://www.afa.net/Activism/SignPetition.asp?id=11 and AFA will present it to 4 Christians of Philadelphia in person.

    If you do not want to order The Philadelphia 4 Story, you can send donation to http://www.afa.net/donate.asp?did=5039

    4 Philadelphia Christians need our prayers and encouragement. Thanks.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    Hello Philip,
    I did not know that ...Jesus Christ knew spoke to his Discpisles about future precustion like that, of course as we will come to Heaven as Rapture as to escape from trouble world. Praise the Lord that we will go to Heaven. There will be Tribulation Saints will preaching to them and will be arrested like four Christians were arrested for hate crime that how Satan tried to blocking to them for spread the gospel of Christ.

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    Matt,

    John 16:33 tells us, that we shall suffer tribulations, but be cheerful, because Christ overcome them.

    There is no promise that we shall escape from persecutions, tribulations.

    Throughout many centuries, many Christians were persecuted and killed because of witness gospel for Christ's sake.

    Matt,

    I ask you simple three questions:

    Please show me where a verse in the Bible saying Christ shall come before tribulation? Secondly, please show us where a verse in the Bible saying, rapture will be occur 3 1/2 or 7 years earlier before Christ's coming? Thirdly, what 'LAST day' of John 6:39,40,44, & 54 mean to you?

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    Matt,

    Aren't 'tribulation saints' part of Christ's Body as Church?

    In Christ
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    Philip,

    I read it few times in the bible that you gave these verse. I know it mean. But read it again very carefully. You said "what 'LAST day' of John 6:39,40,44, & 54".

    This the point what Jesus spoke about his resurrection at his last day is the third day, Not future.

    Look at John 11:23 to 25. Please read it again carefully.

    Tribulation Saints are part of Christ's body as Church Yes. Of course, they will be saved through the Trib. Period.

    In Messiah!
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    Matt,

    You say,
    No, no. Not what Christ was actual saying. Hold this for a momemnt.

    You asks me to look at John 11:23-25. I did read it. I understand John 11:23-25 very clear. Christ told Martha that, her brother(Lazarcus) shall rise again. Then, Martha says I know that he(Lazarcus) shall rise again in the resurrection in the last day, she spoke of her brother, not Christ. Christ told her, that He is the resurrection, any person that while he was dead(spiritual death), yet shall he live (spiritual life).

    You say of John 6:39,40,44, & 54 speak of Christ's resurrection on the last day. You seem hopping to John 11:23-25 like as rabbit. Let's sticky on John 6:39,40,44, & 54.

    No, not that Christ was actual saying.

    Let's look at John 6:39-40 says, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent, that of ALL(people) which he hath given me I shall lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise HIM up at the last day." Whose saying "I will raise HIM up at the last day"? Jesus Christ, himself says, I(Christ) will raise HIM(person) up at the last day. Christ tells us, He shall raise person up on the last day is future event at the end of the world.

    John 6:44 "No man can come to me to me, except the Father which hath sent me(Christ) draw him(person): and I(Christ) will raise him(person) up at the last day." Jesus Christ tells us, He shall draw people by believeth upon him(Christ), Christ shall raise believer up at the last day- speak of future physical reusrrection on the last day at the end of the world/age is the future event at Christ's coming.

    John 6:54 "Whoso(anyone) eateth (Christ's), and drinketh my(Christ's)blood, hath eternal life, and I(Christ) will raise him up at the last day."

    This verse tells us, Christ says, anyone who believe upon Jesus Christ, shall have eternal life, and Christ shall raise believer up on the last day, obivously, it speak of future event at the end of the world/age at Christ's coming.

    Does 'last day' of John 6:39,40,44,54 saying, 2555 days(7 years)? Or, does it saying, 365,000 days(1000 years)? No, Christ simple saying 'LAST day'.

    A second grade student understands, the last day of school will be tomorrow, when the last day of school shall be past in the next two days, then there shall be NO MORE class again afterward for the rest of summer.

    Clearly, John 6:39,40,44, & 54 supports posttrib/amill coming of Christ according what the Bible teaching.

    You says, 'tribulation saints' is the part of the body of Christ is the church. You are correct.

    Nearly all pretribbers do NOT believe 'tribulation saints' are the part of Christ's body as Church.

    I ask you a question, HOW do you know, 'tribulation saints' shall MISS rapture, and will go through tribulation period according Rev. 13:7,10?

    By the way, I want to tell you, I do BELIEVE the literal physical resurrection of Jesus Christ three days later after calvary according to the four gospels.

    You seems hopping to other verses such as John 11:23-25 like as rabbit. Please sticky with John 6:39,40,44, & 54.

    Martha knew there shall be reurrection of the people on the last day. No doubt, I believe Martha must have read Old Testament books before Christ appeared to her about her brother Lazarcus.

    In Christ
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    DeafTractMan,

    By the way, I would add to show you of John 5:27-29.

    Christ says, "And hath given him(Christ) authorize(power) to excecute judgment also, because he(Christ)is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the HOUR is coming, in the which ALL that are in the graves shall hear his(Christ)voice, And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

    Christ tells us, His father shall given Christ power and to execute judgment all people(Christ is now sits on the right hand of God the Father in the heaven), because Christ is the Son of man. Christ says, do not be surprise, at resurrection, for the HOUR is coming, in the which ALL people who are in the graves shall hear Christ's voice, all shall be raise, some who done good, unto the reusrrection of life(eternal life), some who done evil, shall go unto the resurrection of punishment - everlasting fire.

    Notice John 5:29 is much same with Matt. 25:46 says, "And these shall go away into everlasting unishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

    The context of Matt. 25:31-46 tell us, WHEN Christ shall come again with his angels, He shall send his angels to separate goats(unbelievers) from the sheep(believers), and will send all goats into everlasting fire, will give all sheep have everlasting life. Matt. 25:31-46 teaches us, there shall be the only ONE future judgment day, not two or three future judgment days according dispenationalism doctrine.

    DeafTractMan,

    I think we seem off the track on this topic. This topic is talking about the news of 4 Christians were arrested for witness gospel to people. I ask people at Baptistboard for to praying to them, and to comfort theem. I am not asking for open discuss about doctrine or theology on Eschatology. You just bring it up on doctrine of eschatology in this topic.

    If you want to discuss or debate with me on the doctrine of Eschatology, please discuss at 'Baptist Theology', not in this area. Ok, thanks.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     

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