5 lies in Emperor's speech

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  1. church mouse guy

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    His Imperial Majesty B.O. (HIM BO) told 5 big lies:

    1. “I know some of the critics of this action call it amnesty. Well, it’s not. Amnesty is the immigration system we have today… That’s the real amnesty – leaving this broken system the way it is.”

    "...deporting illegal aliens is amnesty but giving them legal status isn’t..."

    2. We are a nation of laws.

    That came from the lips of HIM BO, as the imperial Democrats/Communists applauded.

    3. 'Amnesty for 5 million illegals isn’t “mass amnesty”'

    HIM BO said that 5,000,000,000 is a mass number.

    4. "But even as we focus on deporting criminals, the fact is, millions of immigrants – in every state, of every race and nationality – will still live here illegally…”

    It is criminal to be here illegally.

    5. “I know that some worry immigration will change the very fabric of who we are, or take our jobs, or stick it to middle-class families at a time when they already feel like they’ve gotten the raw end of the deal for over a decade. I hear these concerns. But that’s not what these steps would do.”

    HIM BO claims that there will be no horrible problems caused by his imperial order.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/the-5-dumbest-lies-in-obamas-amnesty-speech/

    Of course, HIM BO told more lies than those 5 last night.
     
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    You have a real problem with reading comprehension skills.

    Example: #5. Obama never said there would be NO horrible problems, he said these immigrants would not take our jobs and would not stick it to the middle class.

    #4. It is criminal to be here illegally. Yes, and Obama didn't say it wasn't.

    #3 Oh, and 5 Million is written like this: 5,000,000.
     
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    Correct that I did err in writing 5 billion instead of 5 million.

    On # 5, Obama just said that his program would not do what everyone knows that it will do.

    You missed the point on # 4. Obama said that he was going to deport criminals still but it is criminal to be here illegally but Obama is not going to deport illegals--he said so himself.

    What happened to your hazmat suit?
     
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    He said he was going to focus on deporting felons and those that have illegally entered the country recently. The very next sentence in his speech, after the line you quoted in #4, was:

    And let’s be honest, tracking down, rounding up and deporting millions of people isn’t realistic.

    Obama is de facto admitting that these people are criminals. Unless you think non-criminals are tracked down, rounded up, and kicked out of the country?

    An astronaut's spacesuit is not a hazmat suit.
     
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    HIM BO lied when he implied that illegals are not criminal felons.
     
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    and if they are able to evade detection for five years?

    The IRS does a pretty good job.....
     
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    Make it a felony to cross the border illegally, make it a felony to hire illegals and they will go home.
     
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    Don't know about crossing the border, but my understanding is that it is already a felony to hire illegals. Not sure, though. Could depend on repeat offenses.
     
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    So exactly why are the GOP and political conservatives so against what he put forth? Didn't both Reagan and Bush do something similar?

    When laws are broken, you either pay a fine or go to jail. He's given them an option to legally get the ball rolling to do the right thing.

    So why all the fuss?

    Wait you're referring to him as HIM so never mind. Question answered.


    Lost two elections.

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    Nope................................
     
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    Supposedly when Regan did it - it was supposed to have been a one time thing.

    but once you open up the door...

    check out this link
     
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    Reagan acted in response to a Congressional act. It failed because the border was never closed as promised. People are saying that Congress passed a law forbidding anymore actions by a President on immigration after Reagan and Bush acted to enforce the Congressional act of the 1980s.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Quoting Hebrew Scripture

    Exodus 22:21 (KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
     
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    So how are people saying it's illegal if the precedent to do so has already been set and there was nothing Congressionally done to take away the executive authority to do this?
     
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    Maybe you'll get to feel better in January 2017.:flower:
     
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    Reagan and Bush Sr. acted upon a Congressional law that had to be enforced. Reagan expressed his opposition but acted to obey the law.

    Subsequently, Congress passed a law saying that what Reagan and Bush Sr. did should not be done again even though they had acted upon shortcomings in the Congressional law and had acted in support of Congressional law.

    So therefore Congress made it illegal in the 1990s for Obama to do what he did.
     
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    Not really. It's unenforcable.

    Employers are not allowed to consider immigration status during the hiring process. so says the justice dept.
     
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    Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
    Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
    "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

    Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

    A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

    * assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

    * encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

    * knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

    Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

    http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html
     

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