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I read ITL's comment as a type of satire, not serious criticism.

 

Maybe if we teach our kids a little respect for their elders and authority we would not have to worry about police involvement so much.

So where exactly is this revenue going to come from?

I'll tell you...from criminals who would prosper greatly without the fear of Law Enforcement.

Your plan is simply not rational. If you think the Police are bad, try having the mafia or drug cartels in charge.

How about if someone doesn't like how you act, and feels you should be bankrupted?

The sad thing about the Police Force is it has humans in it. As long as there are humans, at least, more than one, involved in anything...there is going to be corruption.

but the simple math would see that as a whole we are better off with having a police force we can count on to handle Law and Justice. Just because there are a few bad apples in the bunch doesn't mean we throw them all out, we just grind the bad ones up and make applesauce out of them.

Right?

And I'll throw this in for free: personally I see it as a good thing for corrupt police officers to be found out. Anyone that abuses power should be punished, and while you might debate as to whether the punishment is severe or not (I might too in certain cases), it makes little difference what kind of criminal ends up in jail, just as long as they end up there.


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Or maybe we should remind the police that they work for the people and carrying a badge isn't license to talk to folks any kind of way and mistreat them?

Got me. It's fine with me if when they bankrupt some of these municipalities, that they just don't come back. Some of them need to be gone.

Criminals are gonna act like criminals law enforcement or not.

I'm not worried about the mafia and drug cartels. I'm talking about the police.

If I violate their civil rights, then they can feel free to sue me. People do civil suits against others all the time. Some go somewhere, some don't.

I know. But there is something severely wrong with the system when again and again this stuff keeps happening. Somebodies somewhere have trained them to act like this.

Sure it does if the good apples keep sitting back and letting the bad apples do whatever they want.

if the good cops are gonna keep letting the bad cops break the law, then get rid of all of them and find some folks who will actually enforce the laws even against folks in uniform.

I agree.. i just don't think we're seeing it enough. If the good cops start taking action against these bad cops, I guarantee that the stuff that we're seeing will get fixed because departments would either do a complete overhaul or have an internal war on their hands.

 

It takes a lot of people to detain a combatant individual without harming him.

 

No, Poncho, the drug cartels are not in charge. Go live in other countries where that might be said with a straight face.

And the only other point I would make is I did not suggest a plan for them to be in charge, but presented that as a corollary to the police being removed through "bankrupting the town."

While you may consider the government to allow them to be in charge, even if that were true then we see that that very same Law Enforcement is at the very least keeping them in check according to their efforts in this imagined conspiracy.


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Wouldn't that be like getting 27 people into a volkswagon?

They must have had quite a bit of practice.




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So police officers are trained to violate people's rights?

It's all in the nature, man. All in the nature.

And I would remind you...you should understand that.


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No, Poncho, you have changed what I was speaking about altogether.

Let's back up:

The point is, if like our friend Zaac's reasoning were carried out, there would be no restraint on criminal activity.

You completely avoid that point and skip to...

Now the suggestion that the U.S. Government regulate "the market" is as preposterous as "bankrupting Stockton," or any other city.

Especially from someone who says they are a Christian. You can complain about how the Government is doing when they are trying to deal with criminal activity and then suggest...they change sides?

So you would rather have the Government Officials involved in Law Enforcement now...engage in what only criminals engage in?

Gotta shake my head on that one, amigo.

You should be familiar with me well enough by now, Poncho.

We have, after all, engaged in discussion more than once, though it has been a little while.

I wouldn't, lol, as it is irrelevant to the point I made.

Though I guess I am glad you brought it up.

What happened to the conspiracy theory?

You suggest the Government and Police are propagating the drug trade for self serving purposes, then imply an acceptance of the Government engaging in what they currently seek to stamp out.

At least...that's how it comes across. And we see that it comes down to a matter of that replacing you, the taxpayer...as the one footing the bill for corrupt police officers.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

The point was that the Police are in charge of deterring crime. The scenario plays out that Zaac Bankrupts Stockton, there is no more police force, and then comes the relevance of the question of...

...who is in charge.

So my statement...

...is not telling you to go live in another country (if you're not happy with things here), but, go live in another country where drug cartels are in power and say that with a straight face.

Say that conditions there are better than here.

But the truth is, people are not migrating to South America to escape police corruption here, are they?

So now we return to my point. lol

Wait, are you suggesting that corrupt police officers foot their own bill?

Great idea. Let's do that with all of them.

I would agree those who abuse authority should be held to a higher standard, but at the same time we have a bit of a difference in determining if one did that, as opposed to cases where it is clear the person is guilty of crime.

For example, we might differ as to what we consider abuse in any given situation. The best person to answer whether a police officer has abused his power and stepped out of line would be of course another Law Enforcement Official, not the average citizen who has not been the one to stand in harms way, who might not understand an over zealous reaction to a potentially dangerous situation.

And if I suggest that if you were found to be guilty of a crime that you should foot the bill...are you okay with that?

Just how exactly is the officer going to do that...if he is in jail?

Failed?

As I said, go to a country where we see true failure and corruption on the part of Governments.

I don't see it as failed at all, and it would be better if we didn't have people who condemn what the Government has achieved yet suggesting that the Government go into the business.

No assumptions or pejoratives on my part. Please quote them. I see only a manipulation of what I said to provide a pulpit to preach your views, lol.

"Same to you..."

I'll assume that was said in a nice way.




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I would teach it no differently (not referring to the link, but what you said).

Doesn't matter if the perp was reaching for a comb, if he does not "freeze" when told to do so by an authorized agent of the People...he gets what he deserves.

That is not to say that cops can shoot whoever and whenever they want, but that when it comes to the Police Officer's safety...that is the highest priority.

We have them there for a reason, and only a dimwit doesn't understand that, and only an anti-authoritarian who hasn't grown up would challenge that authority.

Cop tells me freeze, I'm going to freeze, lol. Being offended that they might mistake me as dangerous or a criminal is not a reason to roll the dice that the cop holding the gun is experienced, not racist, not a dimwit himself, or incapable of proper and legal procedure.

Rather simple concept, authority is, lol.


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Let me rephrase: it's all in the Bible, man, All in the Bible.




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I just don't look at it that way, but, being a business owner I may have, from experience in dealing with customers, a perspective other do not have.

Basically, the premise is "My tax money goes to paying for their salary, hence...they work for me."

Now that is simply not true. If they worked for you then you could walk up to one and say, "Officer Smith, I want you to go over to my neighbor's and arrest him for playing his music so loud."

Now a parallel to my own business: it is true that my customers pay me to work on or install heating and air conditioning in their house, they are "footing the bill."

Does that mean I work for them?

Nope...I am doing work for them. Big difference. If I worked for them, then I would expect them to provide medical insurance, paid holidays, paid vacations, et cetera.

Another analogy might be a burger shop employee. Do they work for you? You're footing the bill, right?

Police Officers do indeed work for the People, my friend, but not as employees, but in the sense that what they do is for the benefit of the People. And whether you want to admit it or not, you are better off because of their efforts than you would be if they were not around.

So destroy one system without having Plan B formulated? Is that rational?

The people of Stockton might disagree with you.

So you have gone from utter condemnation of the police force based on the actions of a minority (though you may suppose it is the majority, which the facts do not indicate seeing crime is stopped on a daily basis in this country)...

...to condemning the People as well.

Now wait a minute...doesn't that justify the actions of the Police you are railing against? lol

Just think about that.

So do we need someone to challenge criminal activity or not? Or should we revise the system and let every man do that on his own? A Wild West scenario?

You're not being worried about them is a direct result of Law Enforcement's efforts, whether you want to admit it or not.

Oh, so for you a lawsuit is in order, but for the Cops they should be removed altogether, go to jail, and according to our friend Poncho...foot the bill.

No, let's keep it straight. Is it okay for someone to take you to the cleaners and throw you in jail for similar offence? It's not just the lawsuit, but the sentiment that they are altogether corrupt and should be removed you are presenting.

And why would we listen to your defense if you felt you were simply doing your duty? Should that matter? And would we want the opinion of your peers to better gauge whether or not you felt justified in your actions?

If you compare the arrests that are made on a daily basis with those that involve questionable action, it is such a vast discrepancy that we could not, rationally, condemn Police efforts and seek to remove them from our society.

That is just ludicrous.

lol...oh really?

I think I can tell you why certain cops might react aggressively...in remembrance of those Police Officers who have been slain.

I can't blame an Officer for wanting to go home to his family every night.

If they do that then they are not good apples, right? So again...they are all corrupt in your view. It is the system itself.

And that is simply not carried out by the evidence, which, if you would like to view it...go visit a prison or jail.

Do you believe they are all innocent of the charges they have been convicted of?

Which brings us full circle back to the original point: you are irrational to think that removing the police would result in a better state for this country.

Your view is not supported by some very simple realities concerning crime in our country, and that you would get rid of Law Enforcement because of a very small ratio of questionable arrests and shootings suggests what you yourself have said, you would remove one system with no clue as to what would fill the vacuum would look like.

Maybe try looking at that from a more positive light: we would have to see more corruption to elevate the percentage of something which is subjective in certain events.

Me, I think someone carrying a device that looks like a bomb is just asking for trouble. The argument "Kids make volcanos every year" doesn't fly because those kids were told to do those projects, or at least, that was an option given.

At no time, especially in this day and age, is there any justification for someone doing something like that.

Two days ago someone found a pipe with tape on it with the word written "kaboom" on it, and the school was closed.

Were they violating someone's right to freedom of expression?

And again, if a cop tells someone to do something...they better do it. Why? Because we have to give Police that authority in order for them to effectively deal with crime. Because we have stripped Teachers of authority...we are reaping the result of a lack of respect for people in positions of authority. If I had a kid showing disrespect to those in authority over them...they would be the ones in trouble, not the people in authority.

They do, you just won't admit that.

And that might depend on the neighborhoods which are very different from each other. In high crime neighborhoods I would expect Law Enforcement to be a little more on edge.

How about if you do this: take one of the incidents that have a questionable collar or shooting, and research the history of the Precinct. Do you think you would find that in many of these...Police Officers had been killed in the line of duty?

I live in a more rural county and just a month or so ago a police officer shot a man to death. The guy had a gun, and he ended up dead. That kind of thing happens. Everywhere.


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