This thread is a continuation of what I began to set forth in another thread that was started by another forum member. I will continue the presentation of Romans 11 here and show that it has never been God's Intention nor desire to save all of Ethnic Israel, all of Israel Yes, but not all of ethnic Israel. The Israel God has promised to save as here Isa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Not National Israel, but Israel, the Chosen People of God in Christ. All of the promises of God are yea and amen IN HIM to the Glory of God 2 Cor 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. Now is Isa 45:17 a Promise of God ? If it is, then its fulfilled through Christ and His Everlasting Salvation which He wrought through the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20 as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep. Before resuming what has been started in the other thread let me set the foundation here of what has been the problem. Much of what God promised to Israel [ Spiritual Israel] was as She was conjoined with Natural Israel, for they had one thing in common, Abraham was their Father, according to the Flesh. However we must remember that God has always [in spite of the co mingling of both the spiritual and natural descendants of Abraham] God has always realized Two Israel's Abraham's Spiritual Seed and His Natural Seed. Jesus said once to Abraham's Natural Seed the jews this Jn 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. Then right after that He says Jn 8:39 39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. You see that ? Here Jesus is denying that they are Abraham's Children ! Why ? Because Jesus is making a distinction between Abraham's Physical Seed and His Spiritual Seed. And so Paul affirms this truth, that there are Two Israel's by Rom 9:6 6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Amen, thats exactly what Jesus was Illustrating in Jn 8:37-39. Now what can be confusing is this, That the spiritual seed that was in Ethnic Israel, are not manifested as the Spiritual Seed until Faith has been given them, so until then they can only be recognized as part of the mere physical seed. Now under the Old Economy, the Children of Promise [ Spiritual Israel] and the Children of the Flesh [ Natural Israel] coexisted together under one National Covenant. The children of the bondwoman, those under the mosaic covenant given at Sinai, The Israel or Jerusalem from below with the children of the freewoman under the eternal and heavenly covenant Jerusalem from above See Gal 4. However under the New Covenant Economy this would have to end, which was prefigured allegorically when Sarah told Abraham to get rid of Hagar [The Bond woman] and he son for they shall not be heirs with the Child of Promise Isaac Gal 4:30 30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. And thats what the casting away of National Israel according to the flesh fulfills. Rom 11:15 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? You see apparently for a long time the Two sets of Children shared the same Covenant Home Ishmael and Isaac, this prefigures how that Israel of the flesh had joint privileges with Israel of Promise, thats why both elect jews and non elect jews could partake of the Lord's passover, because the children of the flesh and of the promise had the same Natural Father, Abraham, just like Ishmael and Isaac ! But God always made a difference. Now under the New Covenant dispensation this difference would be made more conspicuous with those who believed on Christ and those who did not. Abraham's Spiritual Seed, the Isaacs will or did receive Christ, but his mere physical seed will not. So Faith is the distinguishing evidence of who Israel of Promise is, and not national distinction or any physical or racial distancing. But Faith has always been the main evidence since it was by Faith that Heb 11: 8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. And os its by Faith we are the True Children of Abraham and Heirs according to Promise Gal 3:7,9 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. I will resume the Rom 11 study with a look at vs 15 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? I welcome all comments as long as they are in direct response to what I point out, please no rabbit trails and be able to provide an alternative view with corresponding explanation as I have done.