A Comparison, Christ vs Mohammed

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  1. Ps104_33

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    A COMPARISON BETWEEN MUHAMMED AND JESUS CHRIST
    By George Zeller and Steve Van Nattan




    Mohammed was the prophet of war;
    Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

    Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith;
    Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

    Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels";
    Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

    Mohammed was the taker of life;
    Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

    Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands;
    Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

    Mohammed's method was COMPULSION;
    Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).

    Mohammed practiced FORCE;
    Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29,35).

    Mohammed was a WARRIOR;
    Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).

    Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword;
    Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

    Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!";
    Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

    Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17);
    Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

    Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!";
    Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

    Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels;
    Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

    Mohammed constrained people by conquest;
    Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

    Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god;
    Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

    Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets;
    Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

    Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder;
    Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

    Muhammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect;
    The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire His Word in more than one language.

    Muhammed hated music;
    Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16)

    Muhammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and moral animal like Osama bin Laden;
    The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20)

    Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise.
    The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God-- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2)

    The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.
    The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8)

    Muhammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammed said a women goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually;
    The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25)

    Mohammed called upon his servants to fight;
    Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . .but now is My kingdom not from here" (John 18:36)

    Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A.Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369);
    Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).

    The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244);
    The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).

    The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5);
    Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

    The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qu'ran 8.12);
    God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers (Isaiah 8:13).

    The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam;
    T he Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15).

    Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah;
    Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).

    Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet;
    Christ pronounced Mohammed to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).

    Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah;
    Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

    Islam is geocentric, that is, the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction;
    Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23)

    Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED!
    Christ's tomb: EMPTY!

    Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it:
    The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive, and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16)

    Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations;
    Those who leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.

    Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah?
    NO!
    He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear.

    The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love.
    1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.

    This concept is 100% alien to Islam-- There is no love in Islam-- Only fear and hate.
     
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    I nominate this post to be among the best threads.
     
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    Thank you for that post, I saved a copy to share.
     
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    Now don't get me wrong, I loved the post and the comparison's were great. However, I think it would be even more powerful if they backed up their comparisons with scripture taken from the Quaran (Koran). Without them, I think it lacks a certain credibility and punch.

    [ October 23, 2001: Message edited by: Dajuid ]
     
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    I agree with Dajuid-

    What are we to do if a Muslim says that it is not true? We have nothing to back it up. I don't have much knowledge in the Koran and would not be able to point Muslims to where it says those things. Also remember that Christians are not innocent of shedding blood.

    UNP, Adam
     
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    flyfree,
    sometimes I wonder whose side you're on.
    unbelievable!!
     
  8. bb_baptist

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    Excellent post! This will be moved to the "Best threads" forum later.

    BTW, you can all email this to frineds using BB's send mail feature. Just click on the "UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!" and it will send it immediately.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ps104_33:
    flyfree,
    sometimes I wonder whose side you're on.
    unbelievable!!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    God's. Why are you so upset? It is not only important to understand what Muslims believe, but why they believe it. I believe it would be nice to know where in the Koran it says these things about Muslims. I don't like to make false claims when witnessing to others.

    I know its hard but step into the shoes of a Muslim. They have been taught a false doctrine and are in dire need of the love of Christ. I don't think it is a bad thing to learn how they think and what their scriptures says to help witness to them.

    God Bless.

    UNP, Adam
     
  10. TolerantBigot

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ps104_33:
    Mohammed was the prophet of war;
    Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Matthew 10:34
    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith;
    Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Luke 22:36
    "and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Mohammed was the taker of life;
    Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Matthew 15:26
    "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands;
    Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Matthew 26:24
    "But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Mohammed's method was COMPULSION;
    Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Matthew 23:33
    "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Mohammed practiced FORCE;
    Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29,35).
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    John 2:15
    "So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables."

    I don't have the time for all of them. But I will get back if you give me proof for all the things Mohammed suppose to have done.

    But anyway, really tolerant and peaceful post of you. I leave you with that:

    Matthew 23:15
    "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are."
     
  11. Will

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    Tolerant_Bigot:

    Do you understand the meaning of the words tolerant or bigot?

    You wrote:&gt;Matthew 10:34
    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." &lt;

    These means that this is the effect of his (Jesus Christ’s) coming, not the purpose of it.

    You also quoted:
    &gt;Luke 22:36
    "and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." &lt;

    Christ was describing the conditions (their persecution) to come. In fact if you read 22:38 he says literally enough of this when they show that they have 2 swords. Also, if you read on in Luke how does Christ react when a sword is pulled and used?

    You also quoted:
    &gt;Matthew 15:26
    "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." &lt;

    One of the issues with the written word is that it doesn’t always convey expression and tone. However we do know how the totality of Jesus’ teachings should be applied. What is obvious from this passage is that Jesus healed the woman’s daughter. What he could have been saying is you know how we (Jews) are supposed to treat Gentiles don’t you? However how he acted in the passage was quite different, wouldn’t you agree?

    You also quoted:
    &gt;Matthew 26:24
    "But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born." &lt;

    How do you conclude from this that Christ murdered any people? Isn’t it obvious that it’s talking about their sins (betrayal) condemning themselves.

    You also quoted:
    &gt;Matthew 23:33
    "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"&lt;

    It’s a lamentation, not a compulsion.

    You also quoted:
    &gt;John 2:15
    "So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables." &lt;

    Are this proves?

    You also wrote:
    &gt;I don't have the time for all of them. But I will get back if you give me proof for all the things Mohammed suppose to have done. &lt;

    Please take more time to do some honest reading or it will be impossible to take any more of your posts seriously.


    You also wrote:
    &gt;But anyway, really tolerant and peaceful post of you. I leave you with that:
    Matthew 23:15
    "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are." &lt;

    You’ve got me here, I can’t make heads or tails why you have a problem with this saying.

    [ October 26, 2001: Message edited by: Will ]
     
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    Bigot,

    Very clever how you've taken scriptures out of context here. Your board name doesn't give you away at all. Would you like to expand upon your hidden agenda for being here?
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ps104_33:
    flyfree,
    sometimes I wonder whose side you're on.
    unbelievable!!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That post is filled with complete and utter disregard! It only looks at the bad side of Islam, while ignoring what good parts there are and it only looks at the good side of Christianity, while ignoring the huge bad side there has been with Christian history!

    This is why one must read all the holy books. But it is obvious that you are a Christian merely because you were brought up one because you haven't dared look at alternatives. And when making accusations without knowledge is very Nazi-like.
     
  14. Jimmy Higgins

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John Wells:
    Bigot,

    Very clever how you've taken scriptures out of context here. Your board name doesn't give you away at all. Would you like to expand upon your hidden agenda for being here?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I think the proper parallel is that the begining of this post was taking Islam out of context as well!
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Will:
    Tolerant_Bigot:

    Do you understand the meaning of the words tolerant or bigot?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I sure do. I could have called myself WarmongeringChristian as well, but I guess some people here have taken it already.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    You wrote:&gt;Matthew 10:34
    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." &lt;

    These means that this is the effect of his (Jesus Christ’s) coming, not the purpose of it.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    So if I say "I didn't come to bring peace to your house, but an Uzi" it's an effect, not a purpose, right?

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    One of the issues with the written word is that it doesn’t always convey expression and tone.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    So how do you know what the Bible means?

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    However we do know how the totality of Jesus’ teachings should be applied.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I guess it all depends on the larger context, right?

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    You also quoted:
    &gt;John 2:15
    "So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables." &lt;

    Are this proves?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    He practiced force, no?

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    You also wrote:
    &gt;But anyway, really tolerant and peaceful post of you. I leave you with that:
    Matthew 23:15
    "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are." &lt;

    You’ve got me here, I can’t make heads or tails why you have a problem with this saying.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You should have a problem with it, not me.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John Wells:
    Bigot,

    Very clever how you've taken scriptures out of context here.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Thanks, I've learned it from the best.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Your board name doesn't give you away at all.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Honesty is a virtue, right?

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Would you like to expand upon your hidden agenda for being here?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Lets make a deal. My hidden agenda for the hidden agenda of the first poster, k?
     
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    Tolerant_Bigot writes:

    &gt;I sure do. I could have called myself WarmongeringChristian as well, but I guess some people here have taken it already. &lt;

    Great, since you “sure do,” please let us hear your definitions of tolerant and bigot.

    &gt;So if I say "I didn't come to bring peace to your house, but an Uzi" it's an effect, not a purpose, right? &lt;

    Let me make this easy for you. If you preached the gospel in an Islamic state today what would happen to that Christian? In most they would be imprisoned, put to death, or even tortured. If you told someone in one of those countries that following Christ would bring them peace in the physical sense, that wouldn't be true. What you would be bringing them is persecution and possibly death.

    &gt;So how do you know what the Bible means? I guess it all depends on the larger context, right? &lt;

    I will recommend a book to you. It’s called “How to Read a Book,” by Mortimer Adler. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671212095/qid=1004103778/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_15_1/104-0824393-9200747
    In it he stresses that it’s important to understand the purpose of a book before you can understand it’s accuracy in regard to that purpose. I think it would do you wonders. Then you might be able to follow why larger context is important.

    &gt;He practiced force, no? &lt;

    Not to converts others, no!

    &gt;You should have a problem with it, not me. &lt;

    Well I along with you don’t have a problem with it. So what’s the problem?
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Will:
    Great, since you “sure do,” please let us hear your definitions of tolerant and bigot.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    tolerant - marked by forbearance and endurance
    bigot - a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    What you would be bringing them is persecution and possibly death.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Very interesting. Thank you. Do you think that most if not all Holy Scriptures need the right context and interpretation for a proper understanding?

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Then you might be able to follow why larger context is important.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeah, well, what can I say, I never knew. Maybe I should try to read the Holy Koran this way, and lets see what happens.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
    Well I along with you don’t have a problem with it. So what’s the problem?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, maybe "travel over land and sea to win a single convert" is a metapher for taking great strains, like lying and cheating and quoting out of context to convert other people to your own faith, and make them in this process twice as worse as yourself?

    Well, "you" just means anyone who thinks this fits, not you especially. You're sure enough one of the good guys, and that's why you, errr, well never criticized the original post. Yeah, that is it, I'm sure.
     
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    Tolerant Bigot: They are right. Some of your quotes are misleading. Please allow me to add a couple that aren't misleading.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"Fair Babylon, you destroyer happy those who pay you back the evil you have done us! Happy is he who siezes your babies and dashes them against the rocks." Psalm 137:8-9
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded." Joshua 10:40
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That should take care of that.
     
  20. Will

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    Tolerant_Bigot writes:

    &gt;tolerant - marked by forbearance and endurance
    bigot - a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices &lt;

    I’m glad you had a Webster’s handy, but I asked you for your definitions not those straight out of a dictionary. Also, if you read the dictionary carefully you would know that you only listed out the second descriptive for tolerant which is meaningless without the first descriptive (i.e. what is marked by forbearance and endurance.) Since tolerance means letting someone you disagree with practice and speak about what you know is wrong, in an unhindered manner, I think you must be describing Islamic countries. You certainly can’t be talking about this country or this board for that matter. As we are tolerating your inaccurate thoughts. No one in hindering your expressions.

    &gt;Very interesting. Thank you. Do you think that most if not all Holy Scriptures need the right context and interpretation for a proper understanding? &lt;

    You didn’t bring up most of the Holy Scriptures, only ones you read off of a list somewhere that you believe proves some contradiction. So, in your cases listed, yes I believe you needed to be able to see the right context.

    &gt;Yeah, well, what can I say, I never knew. Maybe I should try to read the Holy Koran this way, and lets see what happens. &lt;

    I recommend that strongly to you.

    &gt;Well, maybe "travel over land and sea to win a single convert" is a metapher for taking great strains, like lying and cheating and quoting out of context to convert other people to your own faith, and make them in this process twice as worse as yourself?
    Well, "you" just means anyone who thinks this fits, not you especially. You're sure enough one of the good guys, and that's why you, errr, well never criticized the original post. Yeah, that is it, I'm sure. &lt;

    You have taken great strains, you have quoted the Bible out of context, and you have tried to convince people over to your own beliefs. Yet, you have found tolerance in allowing you to make your points.
     

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