A deeper closer look at who Jesus really was

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  1. evangelist-7

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    Most Trinitarian Christians think Jesus was the Son of God,
    who always existed as God, the Second Person of the Trinity, but …

    “In the beginning was the Word (the Logos), and the Word was with God,
    and the Word was God. … And the Word became flesh (Jesus) and dwelt among us” (John 1:1,14)

    “… and His (Jesus’) name is called The Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13)


    Technically, Jesus Christ did NOT exist before the Word (the Logos) came to earth.
    Jesus (as man) had a beginning, while Jesus (as God) did not.
    The Word (the Logos) was the One who always existed, not Jesus Christ.

    From the Scriptures, we believe this Jesus was both God and man: “fully God and fully man”.

    Since He ascended physically to Heaven and sat down at the right hand of Father God
    (Mark 16:19, Hebrews 1:3), it is acceptable to say Jesus exists in Heaven now.

    “And behold, you (Mary) will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son,
    and shall call His name JESUS. … The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
    and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also,
    that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:31-35)


    Gabriel said to CALL the new baby “Jesus” and to CALL Him “the Son of God”.
    Gabriel did not say He WAS “Jesus” and “the Son of God”.
    IMO, no one called “the Son of God” existed before the Word (the Logos) came to earth.

    But, Jesus truly was the Son of God because His “father” was God the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35).

    “And behold, you (Mary) will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son” (Luke 1:31)
    “… do not be afraid to take to you (Joseph) Mary your wife,
    for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.” (Matthew 1:20-21)


    This sounds like a normal conception … so IMO, the Holy Spirit planted
    a male sperm next to Mary’s ovum, so a normal conception could take place.
    (This is preferable to thinking the Holy Spirit performed a “creative” miracle.)

    Now for the upsetting part for many (but it shouldn’t be) …

    The reason for God NOT allowing Joseph to be Jesus’ biological father
    was so his inherited sin nature would NOT be passed on to Jesus.

    Joseph and Mary both carried man's inherited sin nature, so IMO,
    man's sperm carries the sin nature, and not the blood (proof: Mary's involvement).

    This sacrificial Lamb of God had to be absolute perfection in every detail.
    Jesus was the ultimate, final, and perfect blood Sacrifice … the sacrificial Lamb of God.
    God being sacrificed to God makes the Almighty’s ingenious plan even more awesome!

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    God the Son became Incarnated as a man..... jesus always existed as to his Diety, its the name that was new, as before that when he came to earth was called "Angel of the Lord"
     
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    Yes He did but it was before the World was Created, and He was Co Creator of it !
     
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    Here's a super-obvious question for you ...

    The Word (the Logos) BECAME flesh (Jesus).
    Jesus was also "fully man".
    How could this Jesus, whom we all know and love, have existed prior to the Incarnation?

    I'll answer it for you ... it was the Word (the Logos) who previously existed, and was the co-Creator, etc.

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    God is invisible.

    Jesus is God made visible.

    Jesus was with God in the beginning.

    I believe Jesus was God made visible from the beginning.

    Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
     
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    God the Som became a man, so in His diety jesus was ALWAYS alive!
     
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    Sounds like you're confused again.

    When this unique Man was first born, He WAS ...
    -- a Baby ("the Holy One", Luke 1:35),
    -- called "Jesus" (Matt 1:21, Luke 1:31)
    -- called "the Son of God" (Luke 1:35) because God the Holy Spirit was His "father".

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    God the Son was with the God the Father, and he was the person of the trinity who came to earth to become as a man!

    The bible NEVER has the Holy Spirit called by jesus His father, but God the father!
    The Spirit conceived hikm in mary, but the father was His father!
     
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    Okay, you're saying that "the Word (the Logos)" was the Son of God.
    And that He became the Son of God AGAIN when the Holy Spirit
    took Joseph's place and played the role of being Jesus' "father".

    You're saying the Word was the Son of God in Heaven, and became the Son of God on earth as well.

    But, why didn't Gabriel say to Mary (about the coming Baby), "He IS the Son of God"?
    Instead he told her, "CALL Him the Son of God".

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    he was God the Son, whose names were also Logos/Word etc....

    he was the begotten from/of the father...

    he assumed human form and nature to tabernackle among us!
     

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