A god of no emotions?

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  1. steaver

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    The people at Got Questions are Calvinists and everything they post is viewed through that lens.
     
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    God is love. Can't get much warmer or passionate than that.
     
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    PERIOD & THEE END!:love2:
     
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    That's interesting, seeing how a Calvinist scolded me for saying God grieves and insisted such a god would need a psychiatrist. Those on the link agreed with me on this subject. Calvinist seem to be so divided on their theology about God.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause:
     
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    Ephesians 4:30
    And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

    There is so much to learn from scripture on both sides, When we try to alter scripture that doesn't agree with our beliefs it is going to cause division.

    Scripture the word of God is what will remain, men's word and understanding will wither and die what will remain is the word of God.

    Proverbs 3
    New International Version (NIV)
    Wisdom Bestows Well-Being

    1 My son, do not forget my teaching,
    but keep my commands in your heart,
    2 for they will prolong your life many years
    and bring you peace and prosperity.
    3 Let love and faithfulness never leave you;
    bind them around your neck,
    write them on the tablet of your heart.
    4 Then you will win favor and a good name
    in the sight of God and man.
    5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
    and lean not on your own understanding;
    6 in all your ways submit to him,
    and he will make your paths straight.[Or will direct your paths]
    7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
    fear the Lord and shun evil.
     
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    And the noncals are paragons of unity.
     
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    Here's something to chew on.

    This is from A Systematic Study of Bible Doctrine, Thomas Paul Simmons 1935
     
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    T.P. Simmons also quotes J. P. Boyce in his book:
     
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    Interesting thread, Steaver. The Got Answers folks say God's emotions are real, but post #10 quotes an effort to nullify them. Calvinists often refer to the "anthropopathic" nullification tool, where God does not mean what He says. They throw out what is being illustrated because God does not perfectly fit the illustration. We say God's eyes are everywhere, and what is being illustrated is God knows what is occurring everywhere in His creation. But the "anthropopathic" tool would toss out the observation because God does not have physical eyes.

    The next tool in their wicked nullification tool kit is immutability, the concept that God does not change. God is the same yesterday, today and forever, but that does not mean God cannot react to circumstance.

    The idea is that God is reliable, when He gives His word, He does not change His mind and renege. But He presents conditional covenants or promises throughout scripture, if you do this, I will cause calamity, but if you repent, then I will relent. Calvinism denies this attribute of God, since in their mistaken view, God predestines everything.

    In summary, each person of the Trinity exhibits in scripture, the three attributes of personhood, intellect, will and emotion. All three attributes are real, and are not to be considered as God putting on a show for our benefit.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. His comment didn't make much sense...Calvinists don't agree on everything ...unlike the rest of Christianity?
     
  13. steaver

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    I find it fascinating how some go about explaining God apart from the Scripture, as if God did not leave with us His written Word.

    We read, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not".

    And the "scholar" declares God does not grieve! Preposterous!
     
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    What I'm saying is, wouldn't you think all Calvinist would define the terms of TULIP the exact same way? If you all say you believe the doctrine?
     
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    No, and far from it. I think that this is also the difficulty in Calvinistic debates (debates between Calvinists). Terms are not always defined the same. Actually, this also and often comes into play when discussing doctrine in general. Probably the easiest example would be the "L" in TULIP. Not only are there disagreements regarding atonement, but also in exactly what the atonement entails. Christians in general have disagreements, and these include disagreeing on the precise definition of some terms and doctrines. Look at the difference in understanding election in non-Calvinistic theology...there are disagreements even if you narrow it down to Arminian theology.
     
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    ALL of the actions of God have already been predetermined by Him, as he had already known beforehand ALL that will happen, as he exists outside of time, and thus not bound to react and change to things as humans have too!
     
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    Makes you wonder why He grieves then, after all, God has predetermined all of His grieving. You would think He would have avoided predetermining His own grief.

    Maybe, just maybe, God knowing His creation would grieve Him, and God knowing exactly how His creation would grieve Him, is not the same as God causing His creation to grieve Him.
     
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    Just because God had predestined certain things to happen to bring about His will, does not mean He predestined that which makes us responsible free agencies. During times of trials we should be turning toward God not away from Him. Trials is just short compared to eternity with Him

    Lam 3:
    9 I remember my affliction and my wandering,
    the bitterness and the gall.
    20 I well remember them,
    and my soul is downcast within me.
    21 Yet this I call to mind
    and therefore I have hope:
    22 Because of the Lord’s great love we are not consumed,
    for his compassions never fail.
    23 They are new every morning;
    great is your faithfulness.
    24 I say to myself, “The Lord is my portion;
    therefore I will wait for him.”
    25 The Lord is good to those whose hope is in him,
    to the one who seeks him;
    26 it is good to wait quietly
    for the salvation of the Lord.
    27 It is good for a man to bear the yoke
    while he is young.
    28 Let him sit alone in silence,
    for the Lord has laid it on him.
    29 Let him bury his face in the dust—
    there may yet be hope.
    30 Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him,
    and let him be filled with disgrace.
    31 For no one is cast off
    by the Lord forever.
    32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
    so great is his unfailing love.
    33 For he does not willingly bring affliction
    or grief to anyone.
     
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    truth is that God remains sovereign over all things ever commited, but that does NOT mean that he caused all things to happen, but that in all things that happen, His plan and purposes will be worked out according to His will!

    he takes into account ALL that will EVER get done, NOTHING happens without Him having knowledge before it occurred!
     
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    I can agree with this statement, Amen!

    Now, why would God grieve over the lost (Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem....) if Calvinism is true, and the lost had no free will to choose God?
     

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