This topic is really a continuation of the "reign of amillennialism" thread. I thought it ended on page 20 with many unanswered questions that still needed to be addressed so I am hoping they do here. The focus on the other thread was on Matthew 24 and Revelation 7 but with the aspect of the last day connected to the view that there can be no rapture before the Great Tribulation and be supported through scripture. I would like to start first with Matthew 24. A- Matthew 24 and Revelation 7 prove the millennium doctrine to be sound in teaching that the elect/church go through the Great Tribulation. B- Luke 17 upholds the doctrine that with Christ Second Coming, the separation of the just and the unjust, the punishment of the ungodly and the rapture of the elect/church occur on “the very same day” and with no 1,000 year earthly millennial reign of Christ! A- Matthew 24. Matthew 24:21 says; From this several things are noteworthy. First is that the elect go through the Great Tribulation – verses 21-22. (Rev. 7 will support this also) ”There will be Great Tribulation, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.” The elect are on earth for that Great Tribulation, otherwise there is no need to shorten the period. Secondly, it is only “after” the tribulation of those days that the elect on earth have now gone through that the Son of man appears on the clouds of heaven. But then notice something in verse 30. It says “all the tribes of the earth will mourn.” Can it be said the elect are going to be “mourning the sight of Christ coming? I should hope not! Therefore, this can only mean that the unsaved suddenly know their fate and it is they that “mourn.” But what about the “elect” if they are supposed to be on earth at that time, you might ask? Well, by the same token, “they” will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory!” They has to refer to the elect out of all the tribes of the earth because God has never revealed himself in all His glory to the unsaved at any time in history – only in judgment does he reveal himself to them. But the point is that when Christ suddenly appears, the just and the just are on earth together and the Great Tribulation has passed. Now, we have the Great Tribulation that has passed with the elect having gone through it, the just and the unjust are on earth when the Son of man appears on the clouds of heaven and then the gathering of the elect that are still on earth takes place and the close of the age occurs immediately after. (verse 29) The answer to the disciples of what the sign of his coming and of the close of the age of verse 3 is answered.