A Person from conception?

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According to Psalm 139, does a person exist at conception?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  1. steaver

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    On the thread "Pro-life" we had 5 out of 56 vote that abortion should be legal.

    I suggest that the reason these 5 would come to such a conclusion is because they have concluded in their mind that there is some sort of unknown from conception to birth that would allow them to feel confident that abortion, at some of the earliest developements at least, is not killing a viable person or child and has some sort of benefit to society.

    I once held this belief until I read and studied the scriptures on this matter. I believed the lie I would hear, even from pastors, that the bible is "silent" on this issue of abortion. It boils down to ignorance of God's word many times, even from those who should be studying it.

    So I will post God's word on a person's developement beginning at conception and ask who believes God's word and who does not.

    Psa 139:16Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [my members] were written, [which] in continuance were fashioned, when [as yet there was] none of them.

    You may turn to your bibles and read the entire portion.


    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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  2. carpro

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    I would imagine several of those 56 only pay lip service to being pro-life.
     
  3. KenH

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    From conception? Absolutely.
     
  4. steaver

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    I suspect that if the voting pool reaches the fifties as in the pro-life thread we will end up with the same amounts.

    As I stated in that thread, those who have voted no are saying they do not believe what Jesus said in Psalm 139 about a person existing at conception. We are already at 2 no votes with only 11 voting.

    God Bless! :godisgood:
     
  5. The Scribe

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    Yes.

    Jeremiah 1:4-5 (KJV)
    4: Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    5: Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
     
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    I said yes.
    I think there is a person before conception (in God's POV /'point of view', not 'privately owned vehicle'). But that answer wasn't there so I voted 'yes'. :godisgood:
     
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    I agree that a human is "human" at the point of conception, because... Well, when else would they be?

    But how does Jer 1:4-5 apply to this? This just seems to be talking about God's foreknowledge--not when humanity is imparted to the embryo. Actually, it goes back to even before the embryo existed! Certainly you can't be a human before conception! "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;".
     
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    It does speak to the importance of that unborn child. Why would one abort that which God finds important.
     
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    Every one of us is fearfully and wonderfully made, in His image.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
  10. StefanM

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    I prefer not to think in terms of "personhood" as that debate sometimes includes self-consciousness and other factors that would not apply to an embryo or fetus.

    I think that the better term is "life." I believe that life begins at conception and that the embryo is a biological entity distinct from the mother. As such, IMO, the mother does not have the right to end this life.
     
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    If God already knows the person in the womb and someone murderers the unborn child, what do you think God feels?

    The egg is an unborn child.
     
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    If our mothers had aborted that zygote that formed into an embryo we would not be here today. God would know that we existed. Do not think for a moment that He does not hear those silent cries. He knows and I stand in great fear for this nation. :tear:
     
  13. steaver

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    Right on point!

    BUT!

    God does think in terms of "personhood" as the scripture clearly states.

    AND!

    If the "embryo" is killed there will still be a person ressurrected in the future, correct? So we can speak in terms of "personhood" from the moment of conception just as God does.

    We also speak of the Holy Spirit as a "person" yet He cannot be seen by the naked eye in "personhood" form as we humans tend to limit ourselves to thinking. We need to rethink what we have been told to believe from our "science" teachers and choose God's thoughts on such issues over the worlds thoughts.

    God Bless! :jesus:
     
  14. StefanM

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    My point in framing the debate outside of "personhood" is that there are varying definitions of "personhood."

    That is an interesting question about the embryo and the resurrection. It goes beyond elective/therapeutic abortion and into the realm of spontaneous abortion as well. Additionally, the issue of embryos that fail to implant emerges. It's an interesting question to which I don't have a perfectly clear answer.

    In any case, I find it barbaric to choose to end life.
     
  15. StefanM

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    The personality of the Holy Spirit is not analogous to this discussion.

    The Holy Spirit is eternal, and he has always existed as he exists now. He has always possessed the characteristics of personality.

    If one considers an embryo to be a person, one does so primarily because of the natural process that will later bring about all of the characteristics of personhood. The embryo as such, however, does not have these characteristics yet. This does not mean that we should kill this life, but that there is a qualitative difference between an embryo and a full-grown human being. The Holy Spirit has no such differentiation.
     
  16. steaver

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    I must disagree on the basis of God's word. This "one" being myself considers an embryo to be a person because God said so in Psalm 139. Any human logic is second place.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
  17. steaver

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    "Qualitative" ?

    There is a physical difference but still either is a person according to God's word.

    God Bless! :jesus:
     

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