A Personal Relationship with Jesus is not enough Many people will say that you need a personal relationship with Christ but I believe this description misstates our relationship with him. Not that I think it overstates the relationship, on the contrary, I think it does not go far enough to accurately describe what the relationship really is, and thereby may lead people into error. I have very close personal relationships with my friends, my brother and sisters, my parents and my children but this is not the type of relationship I have with Christ. In describing his relationship to the Church, of which we are all members, Paul does not describe this as simply a personal relationship(Eph 5) but he likens it to the most intimate of earthly relations we will have our marital relationship. Christ offers himself completely to his Church in an act of total self-giving (selfless) love and the Church in turn receives this love and the two are forever united, in a loving embrace which is fruitful. Most Christians are uncomfortable with the idea of Jesus in our bedrooms but the most intimate part of this most intimate relationship reflects the relationship we have with Christ. We promise ourselves for the rest of our lives to our spouses, in our most vulnerable state our nakedness, we commit ourselves to a complete union where the two become one and where the husband offers himself totally and completely and selflessly to his spouse and the wife receives this love from the husband and returns his loving embrace, and the love is fruitful. This spousal analogy is repeated throughout scripture, that is our relationship to Jesus, it is that intimate, nothing is hidden or held back and nothing about the relationship is selfish or self serving, it is total self giving love. Understanding that should helps us to better understand our own intimate relations. With this understanding of what our most intimate relations reflect how can we or our children accept anything which literally mocks Jesus’ commitment to his Church or our commitment to him? This includes such things as pre-marital relationships, abortion, and sodomic behavior including purposely infertile relationships. All these things are not a true reflection of what are intimate relations are to image, that is the love we share with Jesus Christ God Bless Warning- I am really not sure what responses I expect back but the moderators understandably closed down one thread which become too explicit considering the young teens on this board. Therefore I propose if you do wish to comment on any of this you keep your comments no more explicit than the Bible itself on these matters. I assume any child old enough to be allowed on-line is also granted full access to the Bible. As children our constantly bombarded by images which glorify treating other people as objects I think it is important to have the matter discussed, but when the discussion becomes significantly more explicit than the Bible we have probably crossed over to an area where a parent should make the judgment as to what his child should be allowed to observe.