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Discussion in 'Forum for Polls' started by Ben W, Mar 20, 2005.
A poll relating to Islam and relations between Christians and Muslims.
The war on terrorisim is about Islam vs Christianity. The war on Iraq is not. Muslims will live beside us peacefully as long as they are the weaker force. Their goal is domination and to cleanse the world of infidels.
Their religion has not benefited ANY nation where it was top dog.
I think radical Islam is the advesary.
The schools in Pakistan to the wahabists in
Moderate to Liberal Islam is not a threat to me
they desire the pursuit of happiness just like
the rest of us.
I do believe Islam needs a reformation just like
Christianity did as it went through some painful and violent growing pains.
I knew it was only a matter of time, but I finally agree with you on something. We are at war against Islamic extremists, which is, IMO, more of a political movement than it is religious on their part. I would say that I am seeing more and more evidence of moderate Muslims who have lived in fear of their own governments for decades who want to live in peace and have democracy.
Good poll Ben, why are the crusades seen as a bad thing....certainly aspects of the crusades were hideous as in any war because of the debasement of humanity.
Without the crusades Europe may have been Islam... for many centuries.....
#4 I wasn't sure so I voted other.
#6 I voted other becasue I think it is not only mistrust, but in a lot of cases actual hate. And I do mean the common muslim, my grandmother's second husband was muslim, he didn't care for christians in general and disliked christianity. Since I grew up in Chicago I've know several muslins, there are some here, but they are more rare.
If a muslim frind wanted to have discussion on both faiths we could do it in one of our homes. Or would he/she want to go to my church to discuss it, probably not, I wouldn't go to a mosque either.
I do not think a muslim would ask a christian to visit a mosgue to explain his faith, maybe to his home but not a mosgue. In one of the arab country a few years ago a christian arab was sentenced to death for throwing christian bible tracts inside the doorway of a mosgue, they said it was sacriledge and blasphemy.
Two observations, Why is it that Baptist Churches are being opened in Turkey and Lebanon and are permitted to Baptise, when the muslims there are in the majority? Although granted in Iran they are not allowed the same rights.
Secondly, Islam probably did benefit the peoples of Medina and the surrounding areas, as when it began Muhammand put a stop to human sacrifice and limited the number of wives down to four from the many that some had while others had none.
I personally went for the option that said that I feel bad that the crusades happened. What alot of people are not aware of is that the crusaders killed not only the Muslims, but a number of Jewish people that refused to convert, and various pagans as they felt like it.
When Ghengis Khan invaded, the Mogols were Islam, yet they still permitted Christianity to be practiced, and rather than warring against them, the Christians simply preached the gospel resulting in many conversions.
I am not in anyway convinced that the Crusades were God's idea. Would Jesus have been amongst the crowds of crusaders putting people to death if they would not accept Him as Lord? No way, Jesus preached about turning the other cheek in situations of conflict.
As for Europe being dominated by Islam, who really knows, God has a plan and a purpose for Europe even today. Many Muslims are quite upset that Islam has receded so much in Africa, and that Christianity is growing so quickly amongst people that once claimed to be muslim. In there understanding, Islam is the completion, yet they have never been able to take africa for Islam which when they started with the huge head start - success that they had as a result of a church that did heinous to things to common people. it would have been assumed that it would be taken over by Islam pretty quickly, yet it is obvious by the sheer figures of people turning to Christ, that Gods blessing is on the Christians, not islam.
Did you know that in a Fundamentalist Muslim run country it is actually a crime to place Christian Scriptures on the ground? they see them as Holy, they call the Bible the Injie, and if you should place it on the ground that is considered an insult to Islam, in the same manner as placing the koran on the ground. Not that it is worthy of the death penalty though.
In a number of mosques, the Fundamentalists are usually fundamental in there idea of the government, yet when it comes to discussing scripture, often the most fundamentalist muslim is interested in having the Bible explained to them, and that for missionaries often takes place in the mosque at there request, and quite often on a Friday which is there holy day.
Interesting poll, thanks to whoever started it.
I think Turkey and Lebanon are probably the most "open" of the Muslim countries (Egypt used to be but now it's more dangerous for Christians in certain parts there). Turkey is an exception.
Even so, it's not so much whether they let Christian churches exist, but whether they allow proselytizing by Christians and how they treat a convert going from Islam to Christianity.
Why are the Crusades the fault of the Crusaders when the Crusades were counter attacks to the Muslim invasions?
Where does it say that they were "Counter Attacks"?
The Pope wanted to retake Jerusalem and other holy Christian sites back from the muslim communities that had lived there all their lives, so he offered absolution of all sin to any one who joined in the crusades and killed any muslims.
Jesus warned the Church to get out of Jerusalem and flee to the hills at a certain time after his ressurection. His prophecy was revealed when the Jews revolted against the romans and they destroyed Jerusalem. If it happened that Islam went there after that, then that would be in keeping with the dispersion prophecied in the Bible of Israel.
You admit it yourself ... that is a COUNTER-ATTACK.
This is a good article from Probe Ministries for looking at the complex issues of the Crusades:
A brand new mosque is nearly completed here in Worcester, Massachusetts. What is really ironic is that a Christian risks jail and death for even wearing a cross necklace in Saudi Arabia while Muslims in America are free to do their thing without any such risk. I just hope that the American mosque builders appreciate the fact that the freedom to build mosques was bought by the blood of American service men and women!!!
You admit it yourself ... that is a COUNTER-ATTACK. </font>[/QUOTE]Study some history, Jerusalem fell in 70ad. Islam came onto the scene in 400 CE. They did not attack the Jews, the Romans did. Yet they did occupy the lands by conversion of local people.
Also to point out that there is absolutley no Biblical Support to slaughter muslims in the Crusades whatsoever. People that volunteered to kill muslims were offered absolution from all the sins they had commited and direct access to heaven. That is an open abomination, and with teaching and practices like that that went on, it is no surprise that Islam grew like it did.