A POSITIVE Emerging Illustration

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by dan e., Sep 7, 2007.

  1. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
  2. christianyouth

    christianyouth
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2005
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    1
    That's a sad statement, that clearning barbershops and washing dogs is seen in 21st century Christianity as 'living out the Good News.'
     
  3. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
    I would suggest investigating a little more about the church before making a criticism like that......:thumbsup:
     
  4. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,894
    Likes Received:
    27
    I know this is an emotionally charge word, but the single word that comes to mind in this article is: disgusting.

    Here are a few reasons why I had this reaction:

    Now that is disgusting because the predominant impression ought to be that they "...went every where preaching the word."


    There's a disgusting display of ecumenism.

    Just disgusting. It's all I can say.

    This woman doesn't even know what's happening.
     
  5. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
    keep 'em comin'!!:applause:
     
  6. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm disappointed! That's all?!!
     
    #6 dan e., Sep 7, 2007
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2007
  7. Cutter

    Cutter
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,564
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sorry Dan, Reformed Baptist and Christian Youth are right. This church is only concerned with numbers and what they will get in return for their "works." I use that word loosely.

    I'm afraid their motives are tainted.
     
  8. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,894
    Likes Received:
    27
    I think dan was hoping for more people to chime in with their rebukes.
     
  9. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
    HOLY COW! Are you guys actually basing these assumptions off of the article? Do you know anything about the church aside from the coverage of this local paper??
     
  10. Cutter

    Cutter
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,564
    Likes Received:
    0
    I took his disappointed statement to mean that he was disappointed posters didn't agree with his OP assertion that, "here is a great example of a church that would be classified emerging (not emergent) living out the Good News."

    But if you are correct, I am happy to oblige! :D
     
  11. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
    Your comments are pretty harsh for a very limited understanding of this church. My intent was to show a church that is considered emerging (based on style, methods), but is not caught up in the mess that most people think of with an emerging church. It is a church that is actually serving the community around it, with the actual message of the gospel. That article is an example of that. If you doubt the article, check out the church's website: www.sojournchurch.com.
     
  12. Cutter

    Cutter
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,564
    Likes Received:
    0
    Uh...Yea!

    I think Reformed Baptist did a fine job of pointing out their true motives in the article and showing how watered down their message is.

    Duh!
     
  13. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ummm...yeah you are basing your assumptions off of 1 article, or yeah you know more about the church aside from the article?
     
  14. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,894
    Likes Received:
    27
    The one article is what was presented for discussion on this thread. Based on it, there is much lacking in that church's engagment with their community. My impression from it is that they are engaging in a watered down social gospel.
     
  15. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,894
    Likes Received:
    27
    I had the misunderstanding on this, you were correct.
     
  16. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well then, according to your own standards the appropriate response would be that you don't know much based on the article, not that you think it is "disgusting". Would it not?
     
  17. ReformedBaptist

    ReformedBaptist
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    4,894
    Likes Received:
    27
    No. Based on the actions and even the message the pastor preaching, it is disgusting. The testimony of the Apostolic church was that they were turning the world upside down with their doctrine. This community, apparantly, can't figure out what they are doing except a few handyman jobs.
     
  18. Cutter

    Cutter
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,564
    Likes Received:
    0
    Not assumptions, Dan E, fact. Are you saying the article is made up or untrue? It comes from a reputable paper and the head of the church speaks as well as others comment on the church. In light of the true gospel and our mission to preach the Word it appears that instead of being peculiar and standing out because of your faith, the church is standing out because of their desire to fill their pews. Nothing wrong with good works, nothing wrong with filling pews and building up the kingdom of God, but let's do it without compromising the gospel or winning souls by our own works. It would be interesting to see how many in this church would continue to come if there wasn't the payoff of community rehabilitation. Reminds me of the group in,
    John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
    :27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
     
  19. dan e.

    dan e.
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hmmm....I think the phrase "it appears" would not make your thoughts fact, but assumptions.

    Which is it....fact, or assumption? You said fact....but now you are saying what you think is based off of appearances, not facts. Can you please clarify, or maybe just save yourself the trouble and check out the church's website and educate yourself on the church a little more.

    I was just simply trying to show a church that has nothing to do with the negative things of some emerging churches; but is seriously impacting the area for the kingdom of God.
     
    #19 dan e., Sep 7, 2007
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2007
  20. Cutter

    Cutter
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,564
    Likes Received:
    0
    The fact of the matter is that this is a church engaged in fleshly activities to serve a secular, socially acceptable god. I did visit the website, I read some things about the church and I listened to the audio.

    It only helped to elevate my suspicions from assumptions to truth.
     

Share This Page

Loading...