A question for liberals

Clinton was not responsible for the 90's economy. It was the dotcoms that were responsible in psite of him. And once that bubble burst we went straight into a recession which Bush inherited.

 

Bush attitude has been (I don't care about deficits)

I think Bush who is a failed oilman and was just a figurehead of the Texas Rangers and in Texas the Governor is more a figurehead than the Lt.Governor.

I do see Bush lose the mantel of good management and that attitude of keeping "Deficit and Surplus" in our vocabulary the last 8 years.

Bill Clinton was a good manager but with help and that help came from across the aile and within his own party, compromise and consensus brought on goals to be met.

In comparison that all went out the window with Bush jr. he was not involved and his speeches seemed less than enthusiastic or sincere.

The Bush side likes to make excuses but there should be no excuse for not having good management .The terrible waste of multi-billions in Iraq hits Bush jr. hard just terrible horrendous waste with little to see for it from the American Taxpayer.

The next President must use the Clinton model and get "Deficit and Surplus" back up front and center and not relegate with many excuses like Bush jr. did.

<edited for oversized image - LE> See link: http://dark-wraith.com/images/fedbudgets6b.png

This chart does not show the deficits for 2008 but the trend is further deepening that will be a part of the Bush sr. and Bush jr. legacy and why a Bush will never see the White House again.


okay look at this chart 2008
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/media/budget_deficit_chart.gif

 

Picture's worth a thousand words.

 

We all know, people just aren't worth anything, especially money, no, we want that money in our own pockets, we certainly don't want to have to spend it saving lives.

 

Unless it is an excuse to raise taxes.

 

We shouldn't credit Clinton with the upswing in the 90s.. it was Gore..

He invented the internet... and the upswing came with all the dotcoms that blossomed.

 

Yes, and I am sure all those killed, as listed below, are dancing in their graves. Iraq is still not secure and there was a report on Afghanstan the other day saying that we are loosing there now. It is a terrible waste and it was a grave mistake to go into Iraq. One big reason it was a mistake is it took needed resources away from the Afghanstan effort. Afghanstan was much more justifible than Iraq.

There is no shouts of joy or dancing in the streets of Baghdad now. They are not hugging American troops. True they did at first, but that has drastically changed. Have you talked to any returning vets?

Iraqi Deaths Period ISF Civ
Aug-08 49 193
Jul-08 98 321
Jun-08 77 373
May-08 110 396
Apr-08 113 631
Mar-08 161 819
Feb-08 110 564
Jan-08 69 485
Dec-07 72 476
Nov-07 89 471
Oct-07 114 565
Sep-07 96 752
Aug-07 76 1598
Jul-07 232 1458
Jun-07 197 1148
May-07 198 1782
Apr-07 300 1521
Mar-07 215 2762
Feb-07 150 2864
Jan-07 91 1711
Dec-06 123 1629
Nov-06 123 1741
Oct-06 224 1315
Sep-06 150 3389
Aug-06 233 2733
Jul-06 217 1063
Jun-06 132 738
May-06 150 969
Apr-06 201 808
Mar-06 191 901
Feb-06 158 688
Jan-06 189 590
Dec-05 193 344
Nov-05 176 592
Oct-05 215 463
Sep-05 233 640
Aug-05 282 1524
Jul-05 304 518
Jun-05 296 469
May-05 259 572
Apr-05 199 301
Mar-05 176 257
Feb-05 103 NA
Jan-05 109 NA
Total
Total Prior to 2005
Total 7253
1300
8553 43134 Grand Total
http://cache.search.yahoo.net/searc...killed+killings&d=JwvwxBg5RXPb&icp=1&.intl=us

 

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This information is incorrect.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4713627,00.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/07/iraq-060726-voa02.htm

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005189


See folks the libs can no longer use the word quagmire as an adjective for Iraq sp they are trumping up false stories that certainly cannot be substantiated that troops are coming home and telling us how the Iraqi's do not appreciate what we have done in Iraq.

 

Yes, after the Shiites ran the Sunnis out of their neighborhoods and the Sunnis ran the Shiites out of their neighborhoods I imagine that it is more peaceful now.

 

Very interesting post and I thank you for it. I pray that all will turn out well for Iraq and the people there ... and for us here also. It is hard to know the truth and I do take news from the media with a grain of salt. When I am in Prague and watch BBC and CNN International I am somewhat distressed at what I know is not being told to the American people. Both those news services cover stories of importance that are simply ignored by the media here in the States. I become quite frustrated when the BIG news here is what Brittany, or some other "famous" person has done and how bad they look, or how good they look and news that really impacts Americans lives are completely ignored. I am not sure if this is a reflection on the American people or our media or both.

One area I agreed with Scott McClellan in his book was that the US media dwells on the unimportant.

Blessings.

 

Here's a nice piece of real news, an interview with Madeleine Albright, saying the muslim women & children who died under Clinton & Gore really didn't bother her too much.

Enjoy, and then get back to blaming Bush for the war....just foryou, BB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDePXS2Dwlw&feature=related

 

For one thing Bush started a war that was totally unnecessary. Wars are inherently inflationary because we spend a lot of money and get nothing in return.

 

He started an unjust war.
He has run up huge deficits that mortgage our children and grand children's quality of life
He has fought against improvement in the health care of Americans
He cut funds to Medicare
Because of his policies the dollar has fallen dramatically in value and is in danger of being replace by the Euro as the world monitary unit

How long a list would you like?

 

The main thing I fault Bush for giving incentives to large companies to send jobs overseas. This greatly increased the profits of these companies but it put a lot of American's out of work. His idea was the small business sector could absorb and employ all these people. If he really believed that he was living with his head in the sand.

He also tried to give up on Social Security saying the people can manage their money better than the government. "The people" know nothing about the stock market and is loosing money left and right to the extent they will never be able to retire. This idea greatly helped the rich and those who can afford a broker but average joe and works check to check don't know nothing about investing and really shouldn't be in the market. The basic concept of 401K is a great idea for additional retirement money but Social Security needs to be protected.

The reason Social Security is failing is because the money keeps getting used for other purposes. It is not the baby boomer's like they want us to believe, they have taken the money and spent it for other purposes. i would like to see Social Security protected and not be allowed to be used for any other purpose. I would also like to see congress pay back all the IOU's they put in the drawer.

Lastly is the war, we really should have waited on Nato and diplomacy. If Nato had of invaded Iraq we would have global support to rebuild that part of the world. Now we are using tax dollar for the war, tax dollars to rebuild Iraq while they are making record profits by raising the price on the barrel of oil. Why is Bush allowing them to keep the profits from the oil and use our money to support the war?

I would like to have a president who takes care of home first then other places if we can. You can't send all the jobs overseas then expect tax dollars to build another country. Bush really can't be that dumb.

 

BTW, did I mention it was 500,000 dead women & children ?

Does ignoring it make it go away, BB ? CTB ?

 

Actually, the media hasn't been showing all the IED explosions, suicide attacks or fire fights like they did in the beginning. We see them every now and then but the war really isn't news these days. I don't know what your brother or the Marine does but there is a side to this they didn't say. If you recall Vietnam, when the soldiers would come through the villages the villagers would say, US number 1. VC 0. These same villagers would come up out of a tunnel later that night trying to kill those same American's.

The Iraqi's are also playing this game. It is getting really hard to tell who is who. This is normal when the enemy isn't in uniform. So I agree, there are a lot of Iraqi's glad we are there and glad Saddam is gone but they really have a rough road ahead of them. We can't stay there forever and there will be a civil war when we leave. Doesn't matter when we leave, whenever we leave there will be a civil war and the Iraqi people will hate the day we stepped in the desert...