A question for liberals

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  1. ajg1959

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    Several liberals on here keep saying that we were better off with Clinton. That the economy prospered when Clinton was in office and that the economy is worse since Bush is in office.

    I have no problem with acknowledging that the economy is down right now.

    But I keep asking what Clinton actually did to make it prosper, and what has Bush done to ruin it? Noone has attempted to answer.

    I would really like to know the answer. How is Clinton responsible for the upswing in the economy in the 90's, and just what did he do that makes him responsible?

    And just what has Bush done to ruin the economy in the 2000's?

    If these two presidents are totally responsible for your financial status, please explain as to just how?

    BTW......inflation and a slow economy is not just a US problem today, it is worldwide. The recession is worldwide. Is GWB responsible for the bad economy and inflation in the whole world? How can the US make itself immune to the downward turn of the world economy? And how can GWB make that happen?

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  2. Revmitchell

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    Clinton was not responsible for the 90's economy. It was the dotcoms that were responsible in psite of him. And once that bubble burst we went straight into a recession which Bush inherited.
     
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    Bush attitude has been (I don't care about deficits)

    I think Bush who is a failed oilman and was just a figurehead of the Texas Rangers and in Texas the Governor is more a figurehead than the Lt.Governor.

    I do see Bush lose the mantel of good management and that attitude of keeping "Deficit and Surplus" in our vocabulary the last 8 years.

    Bill Clinton was a good manager but with help and that help came from across the aile and within his own party, compromise and consensus brought on goals to be met.

    In comparison that all went out the window with Bush jr. he was not involved and his speeches seemed less than enthusiastic or sincere.

    The Bush side likes to make excuses but there should be no excuse for not having good management .The terrible waste of multi-billions in Iraq hits Bush jr. hard just terrible horrendous waste with little to see for it from the American Taxpayer.

    The next President must use the Clinton model and get "Deficit and Surplus" back up front and center and not relegate with many excuses like Bush jr. did.

    <edited for oversized image - LE> See link: http://dark-wraith.com/images/fedbudgets6b.png

    This chart does not show the deficits for 2008 but the trend is further deepening that will be a part of the Bush sr. and Bush jr. legacy and why a Bush will never see the White House again.


    okay look at this chart 2008
    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/media/budget_deficit_chart.gif
     
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    A horrendous and terrible waste? To save the lives of so many in Iraq and to assure the security of our nation? RIIIGGGGHHHHTTTTT Tell those citizens in Iraq who hug and thank the American soldiers for doing what they're doing. I'm sure they don't realize it was a waste of money.
     
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    We all know, people just aren't worth anything, especially money, no, we want that money in our own pockets, we certainly don't want to have to spend it saving lives.
     
  7. Revmitchell

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    Unless it is an excuse to raise taxes.
     
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    We shouldn't credit Clinton with the upswing in the 90s.. it was Gore..

    He invented the internet... and the upswing came with all the dotcoms that blossomed.
     
  9. Crabtownboy

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    Yes, and I am sure all those killed, as listed below, are dancing in their graves. Iraq is still not secure and there was a report on Afghanstan the other day saying that we are loosing there now. It is a terrible waste and it was a grave mistake to go into Iraq. One big reason it was a mistake is it took needed resources away from the Afghanstan effort. Afghanstan was much more justifible than Iraq.

    There is no shouts of joy or dancing in the streets of Baghdad now. They are not hugging American troops. True they did at first, but that has drastically changed. Have you talked to any returning vets?

    Iraqi Deaths Period ISF Civ
    Aug-08 49 193
    Jul-08 98 321
    Jun-08 77 373
    May-08 110 396
    Apr-08 113 631
    Mar-08 161 819
    Feb-08 110 564
    Jan-08 69 485
    Dec-07 72 476
    Nov-07 89 471
    Oct-07 114 565
    Sep-07 96 752
    Aug-07 76 1598
    Jul-07 232 1458
    Jun-07 197 1148
    May-07 198 1782
    Apr-07 300 1521
    Mar-07 215 2762
    Feb-07 150 2864
    Jan-07 91 1711
    Dec-06 123 1629
    Nov-06 123 1741
    Oct-06 224 1315
    Sep-06 150 3389
    Aug-06 233 2733
    Jul-06 217 1063
    Jun-06 132 738
    May-06 150 969
    Apr-06 201 808
    Mar-06 191 901
    Feb-06 158 688
    Jan-06 189 590
    Dec-05 193 344
    Nov-05 176 592
    Oct-05 215 463
    Sep-05 233 640
    Aug-05 282 1524
    Jul-05 304 518
    Jun-05 296 469
    May-05 259 572
    Apr-05 199 301
    Mar-05 176 257
    Feb-05 103 NA
    Jan-05 109 NA
    Total
    Total Prior to 2005
    Total 7253
    1300
    8553 43134 Grand Total
    http://cache.search.yahoo.net/searc...killed+killings&d=JwvwxBg5RXPb&icp=1&.intl=us
     
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    This information is incorrect.

    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4713627,00.html

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2006/07/iraq-060726-voa02.htm

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005189


    See folks the libs can no longer use the word quagmire as an adjective for Iraq sp they are trumping up false stories that certainly cannot be substantiated that troops are coming home and telling us how the Iraqi's do not appreciate what we have done in Iraq.
     
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    As a matter of fact, I've spoken to many including some who JUST returned for a short time last month. The feeling is still there according to those who have been amongst the people in many different regions. While there might not be any more parties in the street - because peace is beginning to come now and it's becoming more "normal", there is no less gratefulness in the hearts of the Iraqui people. A Marine friend of mine who came home for a short visit and just left yesterday to go back said that he had a bunch of people explain to him how it was before the Americans came. My own brother has been there 3 times and he agrees. Their lives are way better now than they were under Saddam Hussein. Yes - many Iraqis died as did many Americans and soldiers and civilians from other countries. But it was worth it for the freedom of an entire country. I know for a fact the Iraqis feel that way. I'm sorry so many Americans don't but that is honestly the fault of the media. They will not support this war and will not tell the truth. You must speak to soldiers to get the truth.
     
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    Yes, after the Shiites ran the Sunnis out of their neighborhoods and the Sunnis ran the Shiites out of their neighborhoods I imagine that it is more peaceful now.
     
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    Very interesting post and I thank you for it. I pray that all will turn out well for Iraq and the people there ... and for us here also. It is hard to know the truth and I do take news from the media with a grain of salt. When I am in Prague and watch BBC and CNN International I am somewhat distressed at what I know is not being told to the American people. Both those news services cover stories of importance that are simply ignored by the media here in the States. I become quite frustrated when the BIG news here is what Brittany, or some other "famous" person has done and how bad they look, or how good they look and news that really impacts Americans lives are completely ignored. I am not sure if this is a reflection on the American people or our media or both.

    One area I agreed with Scott McClellan in his book was that the US media dwells on the unimportant.

    Blessings.
     
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    Here's a nice piece of real news, an interview with Madeleine Albright, saying the muslim women & children who died under Clinton & Gore really didn't bother her too much.

    Enjoy, and then get back to blaming Bush for the war....just foryou, BB.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDePXS2Dwlw&feature=related
     
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    For one thing Bush started a war that was totally unnecessary. Wars are inherently inflationary because we spend a lot of money and get nothing in return.
     
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    He started an unjust war.
    He has run up huge deficits that mortgage our children and grand children's quality of life
    He has fought against improvement in the health care of Americans
    He cut funds to Medicare
    Because of his policies the dollar has fallen dramatically in value and is in danger of being replace by the Euro as the world monitary unit

    How long a list would you like?
     
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    The main thing I fault Bush for giving incentives to large companies to send jobs overseas. This greatly increased the profits of these companies but it put a lot of American's out of work. His idea was the small business sector could absorb and employ all these people. If he really believed that he was living with his head in the sand.

    He also tried to give up on Social Security saying the people can manage their money better than the government. "The people" know nothing about the stock market and is loosing money left and right to the extent they will never be able to retire. This idea greatly helped the rich and those who can afford a broker but average joe and works check to check don't know nothing about investing and really shouldn't be in the market. The basic concept of 401K is a great idea for additional retirement money but Social Security needs to be protected.

    The reason Social Security is failing is because the money keeps getting used for other purposes. It is not the baby boomer's like they want us to believe, they have taken the money and spent it for other purposes. i would like to see Social Security protected and not be allowed to be used for any other purpose. I would also like to see congress pay back all the IOU's they put in the drawer.

    Lastly is the war, we really should have waited on Nato and diplomacy. If Nato had of invaded Iraq we would have global support to rebuild that part of the world. Now we are using tax dollar for the war, tax dollars to rebuild Iraq while they are making record profits by raising the price on the barrel of oil. Why is Bush allowing them to keep the profits from the oil and use our money to support the war?

    I would like to have a president who takes care of home first then other places if we can. You can't send all the jobs overseas then expect tax dollars to build another country. Bush really can't be that dumb.
     
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    BTW, did I mention it was 500,000 dead women & children ?

    Does ignoring it make it go away, BB ? CTB ?
     
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    Actually, the media hasn't been showing all the IED explosions, suicide attacks or fire fights like they did in the beginning. We see them every now and then but the war really isn't news these days. I don't know what your brother or the Marine does but there is a side to this they didn't say. If you recall Vietnam, when the soldiers would come through the villages the villagers would say, US number 1. VC 0. These same villagers would come up out of a tunnel later that night trying to kill those same American's.

    The Iraqi's are also playing this game. It is getting really hard to tell who is who. This is normal when the enemy isn't in uniform. So I agree, there are a lot of Iraqi's glad we are there and glad Saddam is gone but they really have a rough road ahead of them. We can't stay there forever and there will be a civil war when we leave. Doesn't matter when we leave, whenever we leave there will be a civil war and the Iraqi people will hate the day we stepped in the desert...
     

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