A question for Libertarians

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  1. targus

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    Ok - so you have a problem with airport security and your feeling of a loss of personal rights.'

    How do you feel about automobile safety standards?

    Should cars with seatbelts, airbags and bumpers be an option too?

    Food safety?

    Should we have the option of buying uninspected meats at the grocery?

    Restaurant inspections?

    Should we have the option of eating at restaurants that opt out of inspections?

    Medicines?

    Should we be allowed to buy medicines made in the neighbors basement?

    Childrens toys?

    Should we have the option of buying lead painted toys with itty bitty little pieces that look just like candy for our toddlers?

    Why stop at airport security?
     
  2. KenH

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    Plenty of answers to rolling back the regulatory regime in this country here:

    Regulatory Studies

    Today, there is no greater impediment to American prosperity than the immense body of regulations chronicled in the Federal Register, and academic analysis has documented the economic inefficiencies engendered by the regulatory state. Cato's regulatory studies set forth a market-oriented vision of "regulatory rollback" that relies on the incentive forces of private property rights to create competitive markets and to provide consumer information and protection.

    - lots of information located here - www.cato.org/regulatory-studies
     
  3. targus

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    So rolling back regulations will keep terrorists off planes?

    How so?
     
  4. KenH

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    I thought you wanted this thread to be about a plethora of other regulatory areas. Therefore, I will not discuss using the government for airport security by using methods that violate the 4th amendment in this particular thread.
     
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    Sorry, Ken

    With the multitude of duplicate threads that you started I got lost. :smilewinkgrin:

    Then you are saying that you would do away with the regulations for car, food, medicine, etc.

    Ok - at least you are consistent.

    But you better carry a lot of insurance - because if you do harm to me or mine by your election not to keep yourself safe I'll be looking for you to make it right.
     
  6. billwald

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    >Ok - so you have a problem with airport security and your feeling of a loss of personal rights.'

    Not mine! I don't fly. I have no right to fly. If the same rules are applied when one is using public roads I have a problem.

    >How do you feel about automobile safety standards?

    Not in favor. They are used to keep high MPG vehicles off the roads.

    >Should cars with seatbelts, airbags and bumpers be an option too?

    Yes

    >Food safety?

    No because it is a public health issue. Raw milk for example. people may have a personal right to contract TB but unless people who drink raw milk carry signs I can't protect myself from them.

    >Should we have the option of buying uninspected meats at the grocery?

    Pragmatically we do buy uninspected meats. We only think they are inspected.

    >Restaurant inspections?

    It is a public health issue.

    >Should we have the option of eating at restaurants that opt out of inspections?

    Only if people who patronize them carry signs to warn the public they may be infected.

    >Medicines?

    Also a public health issue.

    >Should we be allowed to buy medicines made in the neighbors basement?

    Don't ask, don't tell.

    >Childrens toys?

    see below

    >Should we have the option of buying lead painted toys with itty bitty little pieces that look just like candy for our toddlers?

    no. The community pays the cost in welfare and whatever.

    >Why stop at airport security?

    Because except for prisoner transportation, flying is a voluntary activity. Sort of like riding a roller coaster. No one would argue they have a right to stand up in a roller coaster. Further, the airlines have a duty to stockholders to limit their liability which airport security does. Should not the airlines have the right to refuse to board people who have not passed the security check?
     
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    OK in another thread I asked about being examined by a medical professional for one's health protection.

    Why is that OK and not a TSA agent "pat-down"?

    Because they are government agents?

    OK hire doctors/nurses/PACs, etc. on a contract basis to do the pat-downs for those who have issues.


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  8. KenH

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    Government using power which it is restricted from using by the U.S. constitution is one thing. Going into your doctor's office a different thing.
     
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    Well I don't consider myself a libertarian, but some of my friends think I am so I will answer. The answer is really very simple, my freedom ends where yours begins. I have a right to swing my arms, right up to the moment I hit you.

    Depends, do they pose a risk to others? I would like to say there should be no standars at all, but if there is a risk to others then some could be ok but most I would eliminate.

    Absolutely, if I don't want them I should be allowed to buy a car without them. The only risk is to me and my riders. If I want em, I can pay for them, if I don't I should not be forced to.

    Voluntary ratings by FDA. If a company sells dangerous stuff the consumers would stop buying it.

    YES

    same as food inspections, rate them, post them, and then let the customers decide.

    YES

    same as above, voluntary, let the customers decide.

    Yes, if we want to.

    voluntary, leave it up to the parents.

    YES

    You are right. There is no reason for the government to be involved in any of the things you have listed.
     
  10. poncho

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    Not at all, being groped by mininum wage professionals in front of God and everbody makes me feel very safe. And those full body scanner thingies that Micheal Chertoff sells to the airports? And what a salesman he is!
    "Chertoff is a former homeland security secretary and the founder of the Chertoff Group, a security consulting firm whose clients include manufacturers of full-body scanners."

    Good ole American corporatism, right on! Nothing but the best for us man!

    I like a good set of tires and brakes myself.


    These days I'm happy just to have one that gets me back and forth to work. Having some options other than that would be nice though. Maybe a CD player?

    Have you watched FOOD INC.? You should if you care about what you and your family injest.


    My grandparents did and they all lived to be oooold! They bought from the farmers that raised the cattle and grew the veggies. The secret there is the farmer knew if his produce wasn't healthy clean and top notch it wouldn't sell. Agribusiness (see Food Inc.) put them all out of business and now we consume what they put in front of us.

    Monopolies don't care if you get sick. They have laywers and friendly politicians for that sort of thing.

    I inspect em all the time. If they look dirty or smell funny I'm on to the next one.

    I don't offer an op out option.


    Depends on how much you trust your neighbor. How much do you trust Big Pharma?

    Yes indeed we should but, with today's global corporations you got no option other than not buying their products and they're the only one most people can afford after bailing out auto manufacturers, foreign banks, spending trillions on "foreign policy" and "national security".


    Is there even an option for deciding anything for ourselves today? Is there even an option for safe foods and safe medicines for our famlies today with monopoly companies and big government running things and big government "officials" that work for the monopolies one week and for the US taxpayer the next? Must big business and bigger and more intrusive government always be the answer to all of our problems?

    Dude you really should get over this need to make everyone else responsible for your safety and happiness.

    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson
     
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