A question:

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Galatian, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. The Galatian

    The Galatian
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2001
    Messages:
    9,687
    Likes Received:
    0
    Recently, I was discussing a religious topic with a person who identified himself as a Baptist, and he told me that he did not regard Jesus as equal to the Father.

    Following up, I asked him, if He considered Jesus to be Lord and God. He replied that Jesus was Lord and Savior, but avoided saying that he thought Jesus was also God.

    This seems odd, since all Baptists I ever knew were orthodox Trinitarians. Knowing that Baptists have little use for creeds, my question is, "How much leeway do Baptists have in the question of Jesus as God?" By that, I mean, how much before they really can't be considered Baptists?

    I'm not trying to throw a bomb here, I'm just puzzled.
     
  2. Amy.G

    Amy.G
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    13,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'd say your friend is confused and wrong. I don't know any Baptists who don't believe in the diety of Christ.
     
  3. The Galatian

    The Galatian
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2001
    Messages:
    9,687
    Likes Received:
    0
    I know. He, BTW, once said that he accepted the deity of Christ, but as subordinate to the Father, and he did not want to affirm that Christ was Lord and God, as Thomas acknowledges.

    I suspected that he is merely posing as a Baptist, and that suspicion has grown of late.
     
  4. Amy.G

    Amy.G
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    13,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    That is definitely not a Baptist doctrine! Sounds more like JW's or Mormons.
     
  5. billwald

    billwald
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2000
    Messages:
    11,414
    Likes Received:
    0
    Neither is you friend "Christian." That is an old heresy that the Ecumenical Creeds were written to resolve. You say 'Baptists don't "believe in" the creeds?" If Baptists don't substantially accept the material in the creeds then neither are Baptists, "Christian."
     
  6. dispen4ever

    dispen4ever
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    0
    To respond to the OP, I have never met a Southern Baptist who did not humble self before the Truth of scripture which identifies Jesus, the Son of God and Son of Man, as God Himself. God manifested Himself in the flesh, and boy, am I glad He did! Suggest to your friend that further study ---no, further prayer--- is indicated.

    :flower:
     
  7. Not_hard_to_find

    Not_hard_to_find
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    713
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with the general assessment. But I cannot imagine one desiring to pose as a Baptist -- it takes perserverance just to be one!

    And, that is spoken as one for more than a half century.
     
  8. BobRyan

    BobRyan
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,837
    Likes Received:
    4
    Good point raised here - not so much about whether most Baptists are Trinitarian - but more along the lines of the "priesthood of all believers" and the idea of "no creed" getting in the way of Baptists "wanting" to say that all baptists are trinitarian -- then what do you do when you find one that is not?

    Say "Yep that is baptist too"???

    In that case - the term means nothing
     
  9. The Galatian

    The Galatian
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2001
    Messages:
    9,687
    Likes Received:
    0
    [quote[You say 'Baptists don't "believe in" the creeds?"[/quote]

    Not quite. I said they have little use for creeds. I don't personally know any who don't believe everything in the Nicene creed, for example.

    But if I understand them correctly, that's not the case.
     
  10. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Your friend is wrong,

    But he can call himself Baptist as anyone can... you are right, the term Baptist means very little now.
     
  11. Jim1999

    Jim1999
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    0
    Baptists don't recite the creeds during a worship service as do, say, Anglicans, but this is not to say we don't believe in the creeds. There was a Baptist creed many years ago that was recited during morning worship services, but that just came to an end.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  12. The Galatian

    The Galatian
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2001
    Messages:
    9,687
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes, I understand that. Thanks to all of you for your posts.
     

Share This Page

Loading...