You had responded on the thread "Balanced Calvinism" but it was closed by the time I got back from a trip: I'll respond to your quotes here: Calvary had the purpose of accomplishing redemption for the world and God's intervention in hardening Israel (hiding the truth so they would continue in their rebellion) is not equivalent to your claims of God determining all man's sinful choices and actions. Further explanation HERE God being in complete control by creating beings with free agency while being powerful enough to accomplish his ultimate purposes despite their rebellion. . By comparing the two events you seem to suggest that God's intervention in hardening the Jews to accomplish redemption for the world on Calvary is like His determining the very thought and act of Dahmer, which (1) undermines the supernatural and unique attributes of God involvement at Calvary by suggesting this the manner God has brought about the every sinful act of mankind...and (2) impugns God's holiness by suggesting he is the cause of sin. As explained above, God doesn't have to ACTIVELY CAUSE or DETERMINE sin to accomplish Calvary, but he did intervene by judicially hardening people, but is there any biblical support that suggests God has likewise intervened in all other sins of mankind, like those of Dahmer? Certainly Dahmer's murders didn't bring about redemption of the world, so that couldn't be the purpose. Could it be that it was a sinful act of a man that God is able to work together for good and not the original thought/action/determination of our holy and sinless God? His choice not to intervene and stop the sin is a far cry from his thinking up and predetermining the sin, don't you think? You seem to be arguing that my belief in the former somehow justifies your belief of the latter, but it does not.