A Saviour to Israel 2

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  1. savedbymercy

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    Since a thread is considered off limits after it has been stagnate for a month or so, I will continue in a New thread that Israel and the Church are the same people of God under different economies :

    A Saviour to Israel the Body of Christ !



    Acts 13:23,42

    23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

    Why did the Gentiles seek Paul to Preach to them the very same Message on the next Sabbath, Notice from Vs 23-42 What was requested of Paul:

    42And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

    There was a reason for this, It is because Being a Saviour to Israel is the same as Christ being a Saviour to His Body Eph:23

    23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

    For His Body is Israel which is comprised of gentiles, and Israel is His Body. So when it says that He [Christ risen] gives repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel as Per Acts 5:31

    31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    He is giving repentance to that which He is the Head of His Body the Church which is comprised of gentiles, so we read also Acts 11:18

    18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

    Yes, Israel and the Body of Christ are the Same entity !
     
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    The Gentiles are God's Elect !



    One of the most erroneous conceptions in false religion today is that God's Elect are ethnic jews only, but that is a lie from the pits of hell, in fact many of the ethnic jews during Paul's Time were not God's Elect, for that is plain from Rom 11:7

    What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

    Israel here is National Israel, and Paul says that in her was a election of jews, and the rest were blinded, which was the nation in general, so how could the rest that was blinded be God's Elect , when they are here being distinguished from God's Elect ??

    However, we know that not only that election in Israel was God's Chosen the Elect, but we know also that God's Chosen were also among the gentile Nations ! How do we know that ?

    By this 2 Tim 2:10

    10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    If Paul being a special selected Apostle to the Gentiles as stated 2 Tim 1:11-12

    11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

    12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

    That they[Gentile Elect] also may obtain the Salvation which is in Christ Jesus with Eternal Glory

    Notice the word obtain is used here in 2 Tim as referring to the Elect obtaining Salvation among the Gentiles, which is used by Paul in Rom 11:7 for the Election obtaining Salvation in National Israel !

    So Paul's personal Testimony as the Apostle to the Gentiles, was that He endured all things for the Elect's Sake, so it must be concluded that even Gentiles are amongst God's Elect, not just some ethnic jews 2 Tim 2:10

    10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.


    In the greek the Elect here is touv eklektouv, the word elect is preceded by the definite article, meaning that these gentiles were of God's only special elect People as Per Lk 18:7

    And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

    Also the same as in Matt 24:22

    And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    The elect's sake here is the same the elect's sake in 2 Tim 2:10 which refers to Gentiles !

    This poses a serious problem for those of you who have been deluded to thinking that only ethnic jews were God's Elect People !
     
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    isreal and church 2 seperate entities in plan of God, as God postponed the Kingdom to isreal as jews rejected the King, now in age of the Church, where both Jews/gentiles are in it, the Great tribulation is time with church gone, that God turns back to dealing with jews in land, and jesus returning will bring Spiritual isreal to life!
     
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    1 Pet 1:1-2

    Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

    2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    The Elect here are not elected because of the obedience or faith, but unto obedience or faith Rom 16:26

    But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

    The Obedience is produced by the work of the Spirit, for His sanctification work is the cause of their obedience, so Peter could say this in Acts 5:32

    32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

    In other words, those obeying God, is a sure evidence of God having gave them the Holy Ghost, and His Sanctifying Graces unto obedience !

    Obedience to the Gospel of God is evidence of having been born of the Spirit ! And this belongs the Elect only !
     
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    think fruit of the Spirit is a surer sign!
     

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