A Way to Solve Immigration and Iraq

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  1. saturneptune

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    A simple 4 step plan

    1. Gather up all the illegal immigrants (12 million or so)
    2. Put them in boot camp, and issue them army uniforms
    3. Send them all to Iraq
    4. Withdraw our troops


    When the immigrants get back, then they can have their legal status and road to citizenship. There would be enough there to stop the violence in Iraq and take care of Iran and Afghanastan.
     
  2. exscentric

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    Where you gunna git dem millions of Enlish teachers to teach em enlish tu get em thro boot camp? :laugh:
     
  3. poncho

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    We already have illegal immigrants in our military. Estimates differ.

    http://www.gothamgazette.com/article//20030501/11/368
     
  4. Dragoon68

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    Yes, a few illegals might slip by the check, but correct number in our military should be zero. The only place illegal aliens should be is back in their own country. Legal immigrants, on the other hand, have always served in the military right along with citizens. Let's not confuse the two different - illegal and legal - groups.
     
  5. poncho

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    We agree on that Dragoon. Although I have read there are more than just a few illegals in our military. I'll try and find some more articles on the subject.

    http://www.defenselink.mil//news/newsarticle.aspx?id=46369

    http://www.pressesc.com/01181590069_army_illegal_aliens

    SOURCE

    Our "leaders" in action.
     
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  6. Dragoon68

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  7. KenH

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    Tell it to George W. Bush. He is the Big Cheese behind the bill.
     
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    He, along with my Senators and Representative, receives regular notice of my opinions on it and, believe me, I'm very clear about where I stand.
     
  9. KenH

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    Good for you. Keep it up! :)
     
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    Jon Tester has twice broke ranks with his dem party and has voted the right way on this. He has twice recieved letters of support from me.
     
  11. poncho

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    Not really, he's just POTUS. The real big cheeses work in high rises on Wallstreet or hide unseen behind corporate banners.
     
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  12. Conservative Christian

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    Rounding up 12 to 20 million illegals isn't very feasible.

    The solution is to pass laws barring them from receiving ANY welfare benefits and social services. Also pass laws making it a felony to employ illegals, and give offending employers hard jail time and massive monetary fines.

    If they can't get welfare or jobs, they'll go back to their native countries in a quick minute.
     
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    I'm absolutely in favor of the actions you mention. Those are good points.

    However, I believe it IS entirely feasible to round up and deport the 20 million illegal aliens in our country is we will commit to doing it.

    We already arrest about 1 million per year trying to enter and that's with the small effort we point into the problem. We find and arrest millions of people every year for an assortment of crimes all over the nation. We, as a nation, have overcome immense odds in times past such as World War II when we went from a small standing military force to what it took to defeat enemies on two fronts around the world.

    We need to take is to make sure it's clear that being here illegally is WRONG and is AGAINST the LAW. We need to say that. We need to stop using terms like "fair compromise" that suggest the problem is with the LAW. The problem is with the LAWBREAKERS. It's our nation and we have a right to control entry into it according to whatever standards we establish.

    Then we need to stand firm when all the bleeding hearts start coming up with excuses for rounding up and deporting these LAWBREAKERS. It's less controversial to just say it "can't be done" so we don't have to face doing it. There's plenty of that attitude as is evident in all the "fair compromise" giveaway of the pending legislation which would do more to help illegal aliens than it would help citizens. We don't owe LAWBREAKERS anything. We owe law abiders the benefit of justice else what incentive is there to follow the LAW? This is the fundamental duty of government least individuals take matters into their own hands.

    I'd probably be in favor of kicking out every single person that has come here illegally while at the same time giving every single person that has applied legally and is still waiting a free ticket here. At least that would indicate that following the LAW has some reward rather than penalty.

    If we let this idea that "it can't be done" prevail we will have conceded to them. This "can't" words and thoughts need to be banned from our minds and replaced with the "will by the grace of God" words. We don't have to do that. We need to do what's right for our country. The sooner we start the better for the next generations.
     
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    The best idea to solve the problem of illegal immigration is to simply enforce the laws already on the books. We don't need more laws on this subject.
     
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    If we'd just enforce the existing laws that would be absolutely wonderful!

    If we'd take a few more steps beyond that to clean up the loopholes - like the "anchor baby" misapplication of the Constitution - and strenghten the penalties for violations that would be fantastic!
     
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    An interesting and worthwhile exercise is to read the 1986 amnesty law. When will we learn?
     
  17. Conservative Christian

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    I don't want to get in an argument here, because we're definitely on the same side on this particular issue.

    But I don't think you've really sat down and considered the enormous cost to the taxpayers of rounding up that many millions of people, and the strain it would put on our law enforcement agencies and legal system.

    Oh sure, they catch a lot of people coming over the border, because there's only a few thousand miles of border, and in many areas it's not passable by humans due to geographic restrictions.

    But don't forget that most of those who are caught and sent back, just try again later and usually get through successfully, and once they get in the country, they spread far and wide amongst the 48 states.

    It would cost BILLIONS to identify, round up, detain, house and feed that many individuals until they could be processed for deportation. By U.S. law they would have to be given a deportation hearing, which would further clog our already backed up court system.

    Cutting off ALL welfare/social services and denying them jobs will have them VOLUNTARILY leaving the country en masse, saving U.S. taxpayers billions and not putting a strain on our law enforcement/legal system.
     
  18. exscentric

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    Sen. Gordon Smith OR is bringing forth a bill to require employers to verify social security numbers. Should be in Congress first of the week from what I've heard.

    That will start the SELF deportation quickly.

    As to the cost, as has been said before the savings in schools, welfare, hospitals etc. will cover it quite nicely I would guess :laugh:
     
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    We're absolutely on the same side!

    I have considered the cost! Law enforcement is expensive. It's even more expensive to correct past lax law enforcement. There's no doubt that rounding up all the illegal aliens in this country would be expensive. We need to greatly increase our Border Patrol to handle the job at hand. We need to require cooperative effort by all law enforcement agencies.

    We can use the money we didn't spend in the past - but should have - to fund it now. We can spend the money to avoid spending even more in subsequent generations. We can divert all the money we're spending on extra welfare, tax credits, uninsured motorist insurance, higher medical costs, higher property taxes, more criminal law enforcement, Mexican Spanish language interpreters for court cases, Mexican Spanish language school programs, printing government documents in Mexican Spanish, greater highway maintenance costs, more riot control police, more security alarm systems, etc. which reaches even into the billions of dollars. It will cost us trillions, long term, if we don't take care of this problem soon and, if we're not careful, it will be measured is pesos instead of dollars.

    Removing all the incentives for coming here is also very important to reduce the future influx of illegal aliens. I agree that we should do all those things several of which you've detailed. We should make it not be worth the trip. It shouldn't be profitable for someone here to employ illegal aliens. It shouldn't be profitable for someone to come here. If we do this - really do it - then, indeed, many already here would make the journey home on their own accord and hopefully without too much encouragement especially if they knew we were also going to find them, arrest them, and promptly deport them.

    But those that have rooted themselves here by the profits of their illegal actions also need to be sent home even if by force. They don't need a free pass because it would difficult or expensive to remove them. That's not fair to the citizens or to the legal immigrants here or patiently waiting admission. All persons need to understand that they will be held accountable to the law else it's really not justice and becomes meaningless.
     
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  20. carpro

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    Meaning deportation when caught, among other things.
     

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