Abortion rates among Catholics 29% higher than Protestants

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  1. BobRyan

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    • Catholic women have an abortion rate 29% higher than Protestant women;

    Catholic leadership is predominantly male and celebate.

    But Catholic membership is not.

    Catholic leadership promotes not having abortion and no acceptance of the Gay agenda - but Catholic membership votes in favor of pro-abortion pro-gay agenda candidates/platforms.

    Even the courts that are predominantly Catholic (like the U.S. Supreme Court) are ruling in favor of abortion and the gay agenda.

    The fact that the Catholic abortion rate is so high - may be a factor in explaining why the Catholic membership is so consistently in favor of pro-abortion candidates for public office despite the views of their own male celebate leadership.

    What is going on?

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Keep in mind many "Catholics" are RC only because they were sprinkled as a baby. They may never have darkened the door of an RC church since - but they still consider themselves catholic.
     
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    Precisely. Catholic in name only. Pelosi, Biden, et al are examples of people who use the label but reject the teachings of the Church.

    Even though he's openly pushing to legalize abortion, Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny has been invited by Catholic Boston College to receive honors on May 20. So what is Boston College thinking?

    It's like the Notre Dame 2009 commencement scandal all over again. I signed a letter of protest.
     
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    On Long Island, we are predominantly Catholic or Jewish. I'd say probably 80% of the Catholics are Catholic by birth - not by faith. In other words, they were born Catholic, were raised Catholic through Confirmation and then that's about it. They show up for Christmas and Easter if it's convenient and they mark "Catholic" on any form that asks but they don't believe in anything the church teaches. But they are still Catholic if you ask them.
     
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    I'm wondering why this would be a concern to someone who belongs to the SDA cult that does not condemn abortion anyway?

    The official SDA website says, " The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships."

    So it appears that the SDA cult cares more about what their members eat than whether or not they have an abortion.
     
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    Ummm... not me.

    WM
     
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    Didn't say it was you.
    But if you took a random poll of people who claim to be Catholics.......
     
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    Probably - except down here in the South. Most here are on fire converts.

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    Bob, how can you ask what is happening with 'Cultural Catholics' when the leadership of your own church officially condones abortion? This has 'pro-choice' written all over it. So much for any claim to biblical orthodoxy by the SDA. The leadership and teachings of MY Church absolutely condemns abortion as EVIL! Such statements as the SDA have made on this website are in contradiction to what the bible teaches about life. In addition, the SDA should know:

    1 - The unborn cannot speak for themselves.
    2 - The unborn had nothing whatsoever to do with their situation.
    3 - The unborn have not committed crimes or broken laws.
    4 - The unborn are not entitled to legal counsel - free of charge or paid.
    5 - Two other people must have done something to put the unborn in their situation.

    I notice that 'serious defects' of the unborn is considered a reason for abortion by the SDA. Doctors in Belgium recently euthanized twins that were born both blind and deaf saying that they would have no quality of life. Wonder what Helen Keller would have said? Would the SDA have condoned abortion for these babies? The SDA should know that murdering a baby is NEVER ok.

    The subject of abortion is one that brings me to my knees. It is the best, the brightest, the smartest among us that are being slaughtered. It is an act of sacrifice to Molech. What makes me weep is that as a society we cannot see this. How have we come to such a place where the altar becomes covered in the blood of our innocents as the price for an “easier” life. A price that could have been paid by a simple act of self-denial?
     
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    This is a truth. A very sad truth. These are secular people who aren't converted to God or how you would say "born again". In reality they aren't Catholic because they don't adhere to the teachings of the Church. Nor do they even try to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. How did these people get here? Well, I blame first of all Clergy who had an agenda to infiltrate the Catholic Church so as to liberalize it after the manner of the Anglican/Episcopalian Church. Using the "Spirit of Vatican II" as their rallying Cry. When their agenda had nothing to do with Vatican II. And their teaching of Humanism and relativism replaced the truth proclaimed by the Church which tickled the ears of many who didn't want to leave the comfort of their secular life rather than accept the radical life which comes in faith. However this shouldn't really be a surprise because Paul speaking to the overseers (Bishops) in Ephesus said
    And it is interesting to note every major heresy for the past 2,000 years have come from the Clergy. So now we have many tares mixed with the wheat in the Catholic Church which basically means there are non-faithful Catholics and the unconverted calling themselves Catholics. I think as Catholics we need to start evangelizing there in our own churches. And I'm seeing this trend actually beginning to happen.
    To emphasize my point about wayward clergy and leadership being in large part responsible, I will quote Pope Francis who last week said
     
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    "For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise."
     
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    Taking that verse a bit out of Context aren't we unless I misunderstood you? After all I'm not claiming to be an apostle nor even a clergy member. I'm a lay member making an observation about what I perceive as a problem with nominal Catholics. Not building a case for my own authority to challenge other authorities which Paul was speaking to at Corinth. Because as you know there were those that not only tried to discredit Paul but competed with each other for prestige at Corinth by commending themselves with Letters of recommendation 3:1. Unless you are suggesting that these clergy who descent from Catholic Teaching are guilty of seeking prestige in which case I would agree with you.
     
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    Bumped for Bob Ryan...

    But not expecting a response.
     
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    Bumped again for Bob Ryan...

    I guess that he is too busy spamming the board to bother to explain his hypocrisy here.
     
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    Well as confusing as this may be to you - I notice that the RCC claims it owns the high ground on the subject of abortion - and yet its members are voting overwhelmingly in favor of pro-abortion politics.

    And shocker of shockers - they also engage in abortion at a rate 29% higher than ... Protestants.

    I find a certain consistency in those two behaviors among Catholics - even though I don't believe that "Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned".

    You seem to think this is not possible on my part.

    Your confusion at that point - is a bit of a mystery - and your use of the word "cult" to slam anyone with a view other than your own is not providing the explanation for your confusion - at least for me.

    in Christ,

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    Nice try with the misdirection.

    How about addressing the issue...

    You belong to a church that does not call abortion sin.

    So why do you care who has more abortions?

    BTW since the SDA believes that aborted babies go to hell and the SDA condones abortion isn't the SDA therefore sending babies to hell?
     
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    You keep missing the point.

    1. By your own admission -- I belong to a church where "The official SDA website says, " The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church."

    So that provides a certain level of condemnation on the idea of choosing to have an abortion unless your life is at risk if you do not have one. ( a case that is pretty rare - in real life).

    2. My point in this thread is that the RCC has even stiffer statements about abortion - and yet the RC membership participated in abortions at a higher rate than do Protestants with a less strict position.

    3. My third point was that they are consistent to the point that they also vote in favor of political platforms that promote abortion.

    Surely you have noticed these points by now.

    Are you making stuff up as a way to get my attention or ?? Who is that for?? Am I suppose to swallow that one hook line and sinker? Really?




    Your summary of "Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church" is "Condoned" everywhere you find "NOT condoned" ? Really? Are we supposed to swallow that speculative idea?

    Possibly you are just not being serious - perhaps this is your idea of a joke.

    As garbled up as that logic is - you have unwittingly raised a question that should be addressed. The RCC actually does teach that babies that are not baptized are doomed to something like LIMBO. And their 29% higher rate of abortions than Protestants -- means they are sending these children to whatever that place is - at a higher rate than they think Protestants are doing it.

    And STILL voting pro-abortion politics all the while claiming in church policy to have a stronger statement against abortion than Protestants.

    Christ spoke of the one who "SAID" yes but then did not go - and then another example of the servant that said "NO" but then went in obedience. And Christ asks the question "Which one actually obeyed".

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    This is one of the few issues I will defend the Catholic Church on. The numbers are what they are. The RCC does not control the choices of its members. The fact that this is one of the few religions that are four square against abortion should and we as Baptists should work with them to promote life.
     
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    Then they are not true Roman Catholics.

    That would be like a person saying "I am a Baptist, but I do not believe you have to be immersed". Or a person saying "I am a Seventh Day Adventist, but I believe we should worship on Sunday!"
     
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    There is a difference between Baptists and Catholics on birth control, but there is no difference on abortion. While mainline Protestant denominations take a lukewarm attitude towards the issue, Catholics do not. We could cooperate with each other to promote life without having to accept each others dogma.
     

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