Abortion

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Quoted from "The Savage Nation" by Michael Savage, pp. 112-114:

    "BABY BODY PARTS FOR SALE: 'YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY, BABY'"

    "Isn't it ironic?

    Here we sit in our comfortable America, all in a huff about the crazed al-Qaida, about North Korea's nukes, about the Palestinians who kill innocent Jews, about the tyrant Saddam, and about a dozen other issues far from our shores. And we contemplate whether we should bomb them, or at least starve them with economic sanctions, into conforming to our enlightened ways.

    Every day we are reminded of human cruelty in foreign lands. We see specials on TV about the Nazi atrocities and the death camps. We shudder and vow that it will never happen here-==while our babies are being killed by the millions every year right here in the U.S. Yet we prefer to think it's Saddam on the distant Tigris and Arafat in far away Israel who are the threats to humanity.

    Not only are babies, even at or near birth, being killed every day in America---this bastion of human rights---but their organs are also being harvested and sold on the black market. They are being dissected, sometimes while still alive, and sold piece by piece. Ears for $75 a pair; arms and legs, $150; a brain $999, tax not included.

    That's right; it's called the 'unholy harvest.' The rotten, mean-faced, clipped-haired abortionists, our present-day facists...are selling baby parts and making millions of dollars in their factories of death.

    Companies such as Opening Lines of Kansas City, Missouri, were making even millions more---until their operation was exposed for the atrocity it was....."

    "...It's becoming a huge business. And some of this money is being funneled to the Democrat machine. We were told that the presence of women in politics would bring us compassion. Yet Senator Barbara Boxer is the loudest cheerleader for this infanticide."....

    ..."We're living in a psychedelic world and a psychedelic country. It makes me feel that we're living in an emerging Nazi Germany. But even the Nazis didn't sell the body parts.

    Isn't it interesting that the international community, instead of threatening to bomb or to take sanctions against us for mass infanticide, is more concerned about out imprisoning convicted terrorist murderers? After all, the likes of UN Secretary General Coffee At-One said these hardened assassins are innocent political prisoners.

    But what can you expect? I think they still practice infanticide (and femake castration) in Annan's enlightened home country, too.

    Do not be a "good German" while the boxcars roll to the baby-killing factories of death.

    This is your Holocaust."
     
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    Get a grip, there are no human babies being killed in America. Next, you'll be saying babies are being murdered by condoms.
     
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    post-it, this is purposeful ignorance or the pretense of it on your part. We have been over this so many times. You have already agreed in past posts that the baby was responding to pain and other stimulus by four months.

    You think a woman is pregnant with an ostrich until she gives birth and then it is suddenly magicly transformed into a baby?

    In our county alone there have been two cases in the past year where a person guilty killing a pregnant woman was charged with two deaths: the woman's and her unborn child's.

    No babies being killed? You've gone off the deep end on this one. Your answer is not even credible to the very slightest shadow of a degree! Why do you think there has been legislation to ban partial birth abortions? Was it still an ostrich until it was born ALL the way?

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    Grip got, there was no such thing as slavery, the German holocaust didn't happen, and Elvis is still alive. :rolleyes:

    Holocaust: Great or wholesale destruction of life.

    That pretty much describes the abortion shame of America. It is also shameful that people who CLAIM to be Christians can rationalize that something so clearly obvious, isn't.
     
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    That's right. It is just a big blob until it pops its head out of the womb and magically turns into a baby. Wow. What an intelligent statement that was. :rolleyes: [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    Now I'm exceedingly curious: If it ain't a human baby, what is it?

    A dog? A cat? Insect? Vegetable, mineral, what?
     
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    Post-it: Try telling a woman who has had several miscarriages that she is just grieving over a bunch of blobs!

    :mad:
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    Abortion is nothing less than cold-hearted premeditated MURDER!!!!
     
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    When I first began to study the issue of abortion,
    back in the early '70s, one of the issues raised
    was that it was better to let the child die in the
    womb than to have the child live in the abuse that
    would surely follow from a famiily in which the
    child was unwanted.

    This struck a nerve for me. I was unwanted, and
    Mother abused me severely, while Father did not
    try to stop her.

    Am I grateful for life? You bet I am. I would rather
    have gone through it all to have the life I have had
    since leaving their home. Dreaded thought, but I
    would do it all again just to have life.
     
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    There are two points I like to make about abortion. First, many will say they are against it execpt for rape. Dr John Rice said that a child should never pay the penalty for the crime of his father.
    Second, I am proud to say I am Pro choice. I firmly believe that if a baby chooses abortion, then I say go ahead and let him! But no one else should have a "right" over the body of a baby.
     
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    SCB, I have never heard that before. I agree with you.

    How about this for all the pro-woman's choicers.

    Exodus 21:

    22. If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
    23. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
    24. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
    25. Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

    Why would God condemn the murder of an unborn blob?


    And this:

    Luke 1:
    41. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
    42. And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
    43. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
    44. For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

    I suppose the blob can leap for joy too? What joy? Why would an inhuman blob have joy?

    Think about it.

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    Amein!

    nor for the sins of the woman
    nor for being the "wrong" gender
    nor for being an inconvenience
    nor for being ill
    nor for being a challenged child
    nor for being in the wrong country . . .
     
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    Totally agree! Abortion is MURDER and all involved should be prosecuted.
     
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    Don't paint me as being in favor of abortion on demand or anything of the sort, but I just wanted to clarify a point. The nerve cell pathways do not begin to develop in utero until at least 24 weeks. So confirms Dr. Pasko Rakic, chairman of neuroanatomy at the Yale University School of Medicine, quoted from an issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (no longer available online).
     
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    Johnv, please. Go. Bye. [​IMG] [​IMG]

    That's kind of like the study that says cats can't see in color. Have any of them ever looked through a cat's eyes? Scientists can really be dumb sometimes. Give them enough time and maybe they'll catch up with what God said in His Word a long time ago. :rolleyes:
     
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    Well, if you give someone an anesthetic first, then it's okay to kill them, after all, they wouldn't feel the pain. :rolleyes:

    The main point is not the pain, although that is the case in many incedents. It's about the senseless murder of thousands, and millions of innocent children every year. Regardless of whether they feel the pain or not, they are still being murdered. [​IMG]
     
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    Look people, the view I have taken is what scripture defines as life which is at first breath. Everyone of you have taken man's (science) view of life and death concerning abortion. All the evidence in the Bible leads one to conclude that abortion is murder only at the time that a baby could take a breath... which is about 6 months. Before that even the priests in the OT preformed abortions.

    Refer to my old thread from last year on this subject for a verse by verse argument that supports this view over 300 posts in that one thread as I recall.

    Personally, I think abortions is wrong, but scripture says differetly. Even nature aborts early on for things as simple as a common cold in the mother to be. Claiming murder is going too far.
     
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    Apples and oranges, silly Post-it. Bad analogies are for kids!

    "Nature aborts it" is akin to saying "God aborted it"; God has that right. You and I don't.

    Oh, and I still want to play your guessing game. You stated it isn't a human baby, so I get to ask: Is it animal, vegetable, or mineral?
     
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    It's not "alive" yet since it hasn't take it's first breath, so it can't be murder of a human life. Adam was completly formed yet until God breathed into his nostrils, he wasn't yet "alive", he was minerals and chemicals partially formed, just like a fetus'.
     

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