Abraham's Initial Justification

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  1. adisciplinedlearner

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    Hebrews 11
    [8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
    [9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
    [10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.


    Abraham was initially justified before God when he by faith obeyed what God called him to do. He was not justified by faith ALONE, but by faith working through love. This does not mean that Abraham was justified by human merit, because no one can merit justification.
     
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    Once again you are attempting to redefine the Biblical definition of justification by faith according to the action of faith by Abraham (consequence) rather than according to the object of faith (cause).

    Paul makes it very clear that the object of faith is "the law of faith" whereby we are justified and that is "faith IN" Jesus Christ NOT "faithfulness TO" Jesus Christ. The difference is between HIS WORKS and YOUR WORKS. The difference is entrusting and resting UPON His provision versus responding by love to His provision.

    It is not a choice between one or the other as both are true, but is a distinction between one and other that the former is true in regard to justification before God whereas the latter is true in regard to sanctification of your life. Confuse them, and you MIX your works with Christ's works as ultimate propitiation before God.


    It is the object of faith that justifies not the action of faith. The object of faith is the propitation of God's wrath and righteousness or the faithfulness and works of Jesus Christ, whereas, the action of faith or faithfulness has to do with Abraham's works
     
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    The object of faith and the action of faith are inseparable. You are putting asunder what God has joined together.
     
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    That is not true. The OBJECT of faith has to do with the OBJECT which is the provision of Christ whereas the ACTION of faith has to with YOU and YOUR RESPONSE.
     
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    > "faith IN" Jesus Christ

    Problem with this dogma is that every denomination appends dogma to this concept which includes the denomination's entire statement of faith. For example, for me to believe that Jesus died to resolve the sin problem between me and God does NOT require for me to also believe that Jesus never sinned or that the was resurrected in a physical body or . . . .
     
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    I disgree with you entirely. There can be no resolution of the sin problem by a sinful or yet dead Savior.
     
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    Not responsive! Didn't say anything about "yet dead."
     
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    You said, "that Jesus never sinned or that the was resurrected in a physical body or . . . .
     

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