ACLU now wants to stop "Behavioral Profiling" as racist.

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    http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004179.htm

    THE DO-NOTHING ACLU
    By Michelle Malkin · December 29, 2005 10:54 AM
    How many times have you heard civil liberties activists argue that national security profiling should be based on behavior, not race/ethnicity/nationality/national origin/religion?

    That's the argument the ACLU makes again and again and again.

    http://www.aclunc.org/911/profiling.html

    http://www.aclu.org/racialjustice/racialprofiling/15815leg20040219.html

    http://www.aclu-em.org/takeaction/passaresolution/resolutiontalkingpoints.htm

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    Truth is, the ACLU doesn't want behavior-based profiling, either. Case in point: the ACLU is challenging new TSA training to teach screeners to flush out terrorists through casual conversation.
     
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    carpro

    Surely you know the ACLU would do nothing, I say nothing, that was not in the best interest of the country they love best! :D :D :D :D :D
     
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    Glad to see, OR, that you understand that even those of us who disagree with you on various topics love the United States. [​IMG]
     
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    Ken

    I have never doubted your love for the United States, I have read too many of your posts.

    I do doubt the love of the ACLU for the United States in fact I believe that they hate it despite my attempt of sarcasm above.
     
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    Isn't it possible to "hate the sin and love the sinner?" Where have we heard THAT before?
     
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    Terrorist profiling should be based on race first, behaviour and all the other currently "IN" proceedures can filled in around it.
     
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    Isn't it possible to "hate the sin and love the sinner?" Where have we heard THAT before? [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]I have heard it, don't believe it, it is not Scripture, and has no relevance to the ACLU.
     
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    Professional liberal-baiter.

    Since the ACLU has clearly stated, in the page that Ms. Malkin herself offered as contrary evidence, that they believe that this is a case of racial, not behavioral, profiling, she seems to be deliberately mistating the facts to make her case.
     
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    And this is the same Logan Airport where where two 9/11 airplanes were highjacked.

    Police clearly are authorized to ask for ID in the airport and the ACLU official refused. He could have shown his ID & ticket and been on his way.
     
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    Is it so clear? See this thread (linkie) for a discussion of the clarity.

    Were those police who asked for his id? Wouldn't he have already have shown it to airport security just to get into the gate area? Do those people have the authority to stop anyone and demand id without cause except for how someone looks (not how he acts)? The last question is the one this case poses.
     
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    How stupid are Americans and the ACLU?
    Profile away.

    If I had to look at 1,000 people and pick out the terrorists and 100 were from Iraq and looked it and the rest looked like other nationalities, I'd probably pick 95 of the people from those who looked Iraqi.

    If ANYONE came on acting suspicious or odd, I'd pick them too.

    Are we really that stupid that we'd rather risk dying or have other people die so we don't offend?

    Can you imagine if nature tried to work how we're trying to work?

    No my little lamb, just because it LOOKS like a hungry bear and sounds like a hungry bear doesn't mean it's a hungry bear, that's prejudice. It could be full. Not all bears are bad, just the extremely hungry ones. Now, get out there and be friends with it! In fact, I'm going to teach you what bears believe and why they act like they do so you can understand them better. They're a peaceful lot...
    What, it's growling? Maybe it simply hasn't taken it's meds. We don't want to offend mentally ill bears, even though it may REALLY be hungry and angry. That's called "profiling", and we don't do that because we're advanced and wise and loving!

    Doesn't work in nature, won't work with people. There's times when acting like animals is bad, but there sure are times when dumb animals act smarter than humans.
     
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    You have to remember that the agenda of the aclu is to destroy America.

    This is one of their better efforts. Trying to stop security people from detaining suspected terrorists is just another way to undermine our security.

    If the aclu has their way, the only suspects that can be detained at airports will be white men.

    Anyone with black or any shade of brown skin is totally off limits, even if going through security makes them break into a visible sweat, lose the ability to speak, avoid looking into a security guard's eyes, and fidgit like they're on a hot seat.

    Only if they are carrying a bomb in plain sight and holding up a sign that says "terrorist at work" can they be questioned at all.
     
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    White men?
    I think you're wrong, because that may discriminate against white cross-dressers and/or men that believe they should have been born women, and consider themselves women inside.
     
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    I'm going to coin a new phrase, AK LOO phobia - (ACLUphobia) - to mean, those who are afraid of standing up to the ACLU. So many people are folding under threats of court action by the ACLU, because of all the legal fees involved in going to court.

    I applaud Michelle Malkin & Bill O'Reilly for speaking out about the ACLU! They are not victims of ACLUphobia! [​IMG]
     
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    I'm not a big follwer of Malkin, but I agree with the O'Rielly observation 100%.
     
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    There's not much point in having police or security guards in an airport if they are not allowed to ask persons for their ID. What are they for, decoration? The only reason we 'know' that the ACLU official was not acting suspicious is because he says he wasn't. Evidently he did appear to be acting in a suspicious manner to the police.
     
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    Two separate questions.

    They are not against behavior profiling, just racial profiling.

    Of course, Mexicans, Greeks, some African-Americans, Indians and Italians also look "Iraqi". Fortunately, I don't, so hey! racial profiling's not a problem for me. Those Mexicans, Greeks, certain African-Americans, Indians and Greeks are just whiney babies - if they don't want to be profiled they should simply stop looking like themselves and start looking more like me. Yeah, they should all take Michael Jackson lessons!

    Hmm, I guess we odd folks better just resign ourselves to second-class transportation - Greyhound, anyone? If we don't fit the spotters' conception of 'normal' we are just asking for harrassment.

    Pretty much everyone dies - we take a greater risk by getting into a car (front passenger seat, uh-oh). It's how you live that counts. If you want to live harrassing people who look different (and therefore dangerous) well, that's your choice, but it isn't mine.

    Interesting that in your racial profiling allegory the innocent lambies are white and the terror-bears are brown or black. (White bears go after innocent brown & black seals, so that's a different allegory which we just won't go into here - why do you hate America?) Our little lambies are armed to the teeth and have taken up bear hunting in the dark woods where lambs don't belong.
    Well, now you've switched from racial profiling to behaviour profiling.
    Or maybe because we recognise that we are actually all bears, with some more aggressive and dangerous than others. If we exterminate all bears instead of just the rogues, we'll wipe ourselves out.
     
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    Are you profiling me?

    BTW, what race am I? Just curious.
    Do you assume I'm white?
     
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    Well this has gotten off the rails. What a shame Daisy, you whiplashed just like every race baiter hoped you would.

    THAT slayed me. I guess since it *was* four plus years ago, and *you* werent on the planes or in the buildings, that 911 was not that big of deal. Everybody does die, but not everybody lives...unless you work security at the airport?

    I think youre a bit too heavyhanded to complain about the harrassment you imagined here on our pages- you know, the harrassment youve not experienced since none of the current profiling fits you.
     

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